Jack Kruse on the Danny Jones podcast, late September 2024
Chapter Details
Chapter 1: Background and Expertise
Dr. Jack Kruse introduces himself and explains his background as a neurosurgeon, and how he became disillusioned with modern medicine's lack of understanding about the human body's relationship with light, magnetism, and electricity. He shares how an awakening prompted him to study physics and quantum biology.
Dr. Jack Kruse is a neurosurgeon who became disillusioned with modern medicine's lack of understanding about the human body's relationship with light, magnetism, and electricity.
An awakening prompted Dr. Kruse to study physics and quantum biology to better understand how the human body functions in relation to the natural world.
1. “When I was 40 years old, about 20 years ago, I had an awakening that everything that we're doing in centralized medicine was wrong.“ by Dr. Jack Kruse
― This quote highlights the pivotal moment when Dr. Kruse realized the flaws in modern medicine's approach.
Chapter 2: Dr. Becker's Semiconductor Research
Dr. Kruse discusses the work of Dr. Robert Becker, an orthopedic surgeon who discovered that bone has semiconductor properties and emits light. Becker's research uncovered the body's use of electrical currents for regeneration and was suppressed by the government and military due to its implications.
Chapter 3: The Origins of Las Vegas and Casinos
Dr. Kruse delves into the history of how Las Vegas and the casino industry were established, revealing the involvement of the Jewish mob, the Mossad, and their ties to the industrial military complex. He explains how casinos were designed to manipulate people using light and alcohol.
Chapter 4: MK-ULTRA and Blue Light Weapons
Dr. Kruse reveals the connection between MK-ULTRA, the CIA's mind control program, and the use of blue light as a weapon to manipulate people's dopamine levels and control their behavior. He explains how big tech companies like Google and YouTube were involved in developing and deploying this technology.
Chapter 5: The Marshmallow Experiment and Tech Abuse
Dr. Kruse discusses the Marshmallow Experiment, which was part of MK-ULTRA's second generation. It aimed to precondition children's minds, and many tech CEOs were involved in this program. He explains how blue light and screen technology are forms of tech abuse designed to control people.
Chapter 6: The Secret Nuclear Medical Device
Dr. Kruse reveals the existence of a secret nuclear medical device called a linac, which was used by Dr. Ochsner to attempt to eradicate the SV40 virus from the polio vaccine. However, the radiation only made the virus more lethal, leading to the spread of cancer.
Chapter 7: Unconventional Weapons and Bioweapons
Dr. Kruse discusses the industrial military complex's involvement in developing unconventional weapons and bioweapons, including the creation of the SV40 virus and its connection to the polio vaccine. He also reveals details about Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in a bioweapons program and the plan to assassinate Castro.
Chapter 8: The NEW MK-ULTRA and Brain Health Initiative
Dr. Kruse reveals that MK-ULTRA's mind control program continues under the guise of the Brain Health Initiative, a program funded by the government and military. He explains how this initiative aims to control people's behavior and cognitive abilities through various means, including the use of technology and the manipulation of light.
Chapter 9: Funding Black Operations and Money Laundering
Dr. Kruse discusses how the government has been funding black operations and laundering money through various means, including the Iran-Contra affair, Social Security, and the Roth IRA system. He explains how this money is being used to control and manipulate the population.
Chapter 10: Why the Deep State Hates Trump and Bitcoin
Dr. Kruse explains why the deep state and the industrial military complex hate President Trump and Bitcoin. He reveals that Trump's appointment of Supreme Court justices who are Fourth Amendment experts threatens the deep state's plans for a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), which would give them complete control over the population.
Chapter 11: Following the Money Trail
Dr. Kruse explains how the industrial military complex has been using various financial systems, such as Social Security, the Roth IRA, and the Ponzi scheme orchestrated by Bernie Madoff, to launder money and control the population. He also discusses the potential economic reset and how the COVID-19 pandemic was a compliance test for this reset.
Chapter 12: The Connection with Rick Rubin
Dr. Kruse shares how he met music producer Rick Rubin and helped him with his health issues. He also discusses his friendship with Rubin and how it led to connections with other influential figures, such as Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Nicole Shanahan, who have become allies in exposing the truth about the industrial military complex.
Full Transcript / Sept 30, 2024
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Danny Jones
All right. Doctor Jack Cruz. Wow, those are some wild sunglasses you got. What kind of glasses are those?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Those block blue light.
Danny Jones
Blue light glasses?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
Danny Jones
Those are pretty cool looking.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yep.
Danny Jones
Also, I love your hat. Make America healthy again.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Just picked that up in Dallas from Nicole Shanahan.
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah, yeah. We were just talking off camera how you just came from Dallas. What were you doing there?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Doing some work with both of them about current events. Current events about Trump getting shot. The day we did our big gig there with the council of the canceled. You know, I was there with Andy Wakefield, who you may know from the vaccine story, he was canceled in 1998 about the MMR vaccine.
And I was there with Mary Bowden, who is an ENT surgeon that was just canceled by the state of Texas. She lost her ability to practice, and then she fought, then she fought the FDA and then me, because I've been a renegade for pretty much 20 years. They've been coming after me to try to shut me up. So.
Danny Jones
So, okay, for people that aren't aware of you, can you give me just sort of like a brief background of where you come from and what your expertise is?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, well, where I come from is New York City, but where I practice is predominantly in the south part of the United States.
When I was 40 years old, about 20 years ago, I had an awakening that everything that we're doing in centralized medicine was wrong. And then something happened to me where it kind of woke me up. And I was given a talk at a, I guess, a minimally invasive spine meeting in Birmingham, Alabama.
And I needed help to get at the podium because I tore a knee, meniscus on my knee just from standing up.
And one of the orthopedic surgeons wives were there, and she worked for a biotechnology company. She goes, I know why this happened to you. And she goes, I'm going to send you six papers and a book, and I want you to read the book first, and you can figure it out from there. What she was trying to tell me at that time is that big pharma, you know, was cooking the books, and it was about a hormone called Leptin. Leptin was relatively new at the time. I didn't even learn about it in medical school because it was discovered after I graduated, and they shelved the trials.
And what she was trying to tell me at that time was that big pharma was going to do something to kind of scammed the public, you know, ruined the public's health. And they, when they canceled the trials, they immediately went out and started to patent cold receptors and do some really bizarre things. And she knew there was something nefarious going on. And she said, look, my husband says you're a pretty smart guy. You probably figure it out. And that was actually the story that she wanted me to figure out, but I went a totally different way with it. The book she gave me was kind of interesting. It's a fable. It's called the. The monk who sold his fraud by Robin Sharma.
And in that book, the monk who sold his Ferrari. Yeah, the monk who sold his Ferrari. It's a good book. It's a fable. It's not a true story.
But she wanted me to read that because the story in there is important for the paper she sent me. It was about a guy named Julian Bowles, a jewish lawyer in New York, has a heart attack.
He's a train wreck. He's low dopamine, overweight, an asshole, the classic stereotype of a New Yorker.
And he quits, sells his Ferrari, and goes up to the top of the himalayan mountains, comes back a year later, tan, thin, and actually filled with wisdom and actually a nice guy. And he comes back, you know, to his old world and this and that.
And then she gives me the papers, and I read the papers, and I thought she was trying to tell me, is what was in the book possible?
That's not what she was trying to tell me. She was trying to warn me that they shoved the leptin trials because they had a new drug in development. They wanted me to talk about it, and that's not what happened.
So this is now, six years after this, after I figured out that everything that I learned in medical school was not true. It's really based on quantum mechanics. The physics of organisms are the key. Circadian biology is the key. Like, we are decentralized. Meaning that there's no central controller.
That's not what they teach you in medical school. It's not what they teach in residency.
But then six or seven years later, after talking to several people who knew her, I knew what she wanted me to talk about. So I decided to do a TED talk about that very issue, and the TED talk got canceled.
It was.
Danny Jones
How does a TED talk get canceled? To get shut down on YouTube or whatever.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, it was big pharma. Shut it down. Oh, wow. And the reason why has a lot to do.
What was in the book and, you know, current events now. You know about Ozempic, you know about the GLP one, drugs. What you don't know is that this was all preconditioned by the FDA and big pharma. In 1974, we had saccharine. 1977, you have high fructose corn syrup.
All of those are GLP agonists, just so you know that. So they have known about this. And the FDA, when the last little bit was in, I believe in 89, they approved sucralose, which is, you know, splenda.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And splenda was only supposed to be in certain foods and drinks. And then they expanded it to pretty much anything that's, you know, our processed food. And that's one of the reasons why processed food is really bad for you, because it's got an agonist for GLP one, so it's designed to make you fat.
And then if you have, I guess the best way to put it, if you have an indoor existence, which we all now have, I mean, you're a young guy. You don't remember what it was like. You know, when I was 20 years old, nobody was inside. Nobody had technology.
No one had a microwave oven. No one had a cell phone. And technology, the one thing that it's done, it's brought all the silly talking monkeys inside. They're no longer outside like kids rode bikes. They played. When you grow up, you're playing video games. We didn't have any video games.
And it turns out that the non native EMF, which is what blue light, is, married with these changes that have happened in food, was the story of leptin. So I decided. Cause where I was going the first six years of this. More on the light story, more on the other doctor that got canceled for the non AVMF story, which is a guy named Robert Obeker. He's an orthopedic surgeon.
Danny Jones
So is this the guy who worked for DARPA?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, he didn't work for DARPA.
Danny Jones
I heard, because I read a book called, from this lady who I'm friends with, Annie Jacobson. She wrote a book called the Pentagon's brain. She wrote this deep story on the history of DARPA and some of the scientists that work for it. And she talks about this. This limb regeneration guy who was trying to figure out limb regeneration for soldiers.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, he figured it out. But the bad problem is, when he figured it out, he actually figured out that and a whole lot more and why he got canceled. In fact, that's the reason I just went to talk to, you know, Kennedy and Shanahan, because his story is tied to DARPA, but it's also tied to the assassination. It's tied to how science was stolen.
Becker is in the generation right after the science is stolen. And the way the science was stolen initially starts. That story starts in 1944.
Really? In 42. That's the Manhattan project with General Groves and FDR.
And General Groves got the idea. Let me finish the other story, because we're jumping all over the place here, right? So anyway, the GLP one drugs get approved by the FDA. So the FDA basically just created a market. This is like preconditioning the. All of the United States to have this problem with obesity now, right? People will say there. There wasn't a huge problem there. But if you listen to, like, some of the tweets that Bobby puts out when Fauci got put in 82, what the issue was with obesity, it was nowhere where it is now. But you need to realize that these things actually happened even before Fauci gets in. And then you have federal agencies that are already captured preconditioning the market.
Then you add in blue screen technology, which is what DARPA gives Google. That's Sergey Brin and Larry Page and the chick that just died from turbo cancer with YouTube. You know her name? Susan.
Danny Jones
Oh, Susie. That former CEO.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yes. She's one of the founders of Google.
And you have to realize that Nicole knows all these people that she was married to. Sergey Brin.
So many of the things that, you know, I'm here literally two days after talking to them about all this, they were stunned. And the story with the TED talk is, I basically went up there to tell people that this leptin Milano corn pathway is exactly what the FDA and big pharma were up to. And then eventually. Cause when this talk was canceled, it's 2010, 2011.
This is five or six years after I have my come to Jesus moment at the foot of Michelangelo's statue. So I decide I'm gonna, you know, drop this nuclear weapon. Literally within a week. I have the FBI and state medical board, everybody coming after me, and they talk to the people at TED, and they pull the TED talk. The TED talk was pulled for almost ten years to bury the story.
And you remember, you didn't know anything about GLP one drugs?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, nobody did until they came out, like, four years ago.
So the reason why this is important, I was canceled before COVID because of this issue. And if you don't think this is a big issue, I mean, just look at the, you know, the 13k from Novo Nordisk. It's a trillion dollar drug.
So when you begin to realize that light, water, and magnetism, those are the three things that NASA or SETI uses to try to find life on another planet. Those are the things that are tied to the decentralized network that life uses on this planet. And the GLP, one system that they're working with, destroys the leptin Milano cordon pathway. And this is the reason why many of the chronic diseases that you hear Bobby talk about, you know, and all the, all the surrogates that were in his program before, you know, he joined with Trump.
Like, you remember the day we were just talking about the guy that you're having in here? You remember when Bobby gave that talk, he mentioned the word mitochondria. Well, what I call my people, mitochondria.
Danny Jones
Mitochondriacs.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. So you may understand where this linkage is. And then through the COVID things, that was another big story that I'm sure we'll get into down the pike.
But I started posting a lot of things through Covid being even more controversial. And everybody was saying, well, how's Jack Cruz able to post this stuff on Twitter when every other doctor's getting canceled? Why doesn't he get canceled?
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
People didn't know that one of my patients was Jack Dorsey and.
Danny Jones
Oh, really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct. So Dorsey owned Twitter at that time, and he told everybody, you're not canceling him. He follows, he's followed all my stuff because of problems that he had with tech abuse starting in 2010. So this is right back at the time the TED talk is pulled.
So this is now when the shots start to come out, the mandates come out. And President Bukele in El Salvador notices within two or three months that they're having huge problems with the jab. And he tells his guys in his administration, go find this doctor. Go find the neurosurgeon from the United States that's saying all this stuff.
And one of the things that I said that people need to avoid taking this job because I reviewed the patents, and I noticed in the Pfizer patent specifically, there was a movie that was held off on the side called Covid revealed me. Malone and McCullough were in this documentary.
And in there, I told people that there's two legal definitions, one for the Pfizer jab and another one for BioNTech. I said, there's only one reason they would do that, and it's nefarious.
The reason I believed is they were going to use one to, to get through the FDA approval process.
But then the other one was going to be what they unleashed on the people. And I had an inkling at the time that the problem is going to be related to SV 40. The reason for that ties back to the story that I was telling you before when I walked in the room is the cutter event. What happened with the polio vaccine and Jonah Salk in 1951 through 1957.
And I happen to know about that in a very circuitous way because of where I did my residency, did my residency at LSU and did medical school and my neurosurgery residency.
And if you know anything about the cutter event, the city of New Orleans was tied to this event in a big way. And I just went to Dallas to tell, you know, Shanahan and Bobby the whole detail of the story. And Bobby and I did a podcast with Rick Rubin about a year and a half ago about this issue. This is when he first jumped into the race. And what people didn't know about at that time, after I wrote this constitutional amendment for Bukele, I shared it with Bobby, and I shared it with this healthcare attorney, who's Aaron Siri.
And they called me back, I don't know, two or three weeks after that and said, hey, can we use several pages of this law as our platform for healthcare in the United States? So I asked Bukele, and he said yes.
So that's the reason why you've heard a lot of the stuff on there. You know, most people know Bobby's an attorney. He sued Monsanto, got a ton of money.
Danny Jones
Right, right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You know, and he's done things for the environment and all that. But what I did, the law that I gave him, this is a funny story.
When he gave the law to Aaron to look at, Aaron calls me up and he's like, jack, there's no way this law could get passed, even by Ron DeSantis in Florida, if you didn't know.
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Dr. Jack Kruse
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Dr. Jack Kruse
Now back to the show because it's that airtight. It covers everything.
And when they decided to use it, he says to me, hey, I'm going to start this run for president.
I would like to do, you know, a podcast with you. Who's the person that sets this up? Turns out it's Nicole Shanahan. This is before she is actually announced as the vice president. Why did she contact me?
Because of her daughter, Echo. You know, she's got a daughter with Sergey Brin that's got autism.
And she contacted me and she goes, I've, I've noticed that you have a totally different take on autism in terms of the vaccines and light. And you're probably now beginning to start to see that Becker's world, in the vaccine world, collide together.
And when I say collide together, you are preconditioned by the light in your germline, and then the vaccines are additive to it that caused the real problem. I said, yeah, I'm into it. And you have to realize, since I consider Becker my mentor, because he was the guy who was immediately canceled before me.
He's still alive, by the way. No, he's dead. He died in 2009. But I just got finished telling Nicole when I was in Dallas that I actually physically sat down and talked to him about what I'm talking to you about now.
And he was the one that told me, he goes, you need to understand what happened to me. He goes, you have to be very careful about who you're getting ready to go against and which was the industrial military complex.
And, you know, this guy was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. And literally, he was so frustrated with, you know, a lot of the stuff that I'm sure you have heard in your life as a podcaster that most people think is conspiracy theory, when it turns out it's really not and it's the truth.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
He got frustrated. And then in 1977, he goes on 60 minutes and tells the world the problem with non native EMF. And you have to realize, my friend, non native EMF? Yeah, that's wireless technology. It's blue light screens, it's fluorescent bulbs, it's rf, microwaves, the whole shebang.
1977.
Nobody has a microwave oven. Nobody has a cell phone. And how did this problem with Becker kind of show up? It shows up because the military wanted to build this antenna called sanguine in a lake in Wisconsin. What was the purpose of the antenna in 73? So they could keep control of all the nuclear subs all over the world, because right now, they. Before that, they couldn't do that.
They were building this thing, and they hired Becker because of the stuff that you had just talked about, that Becker was working on limb regeneration, and he found out that limb regeneration uses the electromagnetic force to do it. In other words, the physics of regeneration is all based on semiconduction.
That's the thing that was shocking about him. And how did I come upon his research as a resident at the same time, why did I know about all this stuff? I'm a neurosurgery resident, and I'm doing a lot of spine reconstructions. Well, bone was the subject of Becker's work. So my mentor in neurosurgery, doctor David Klein, said, jack, I want you to do a project on bone regeneration. I want you to use this guy's back of work because what he found in 59 through 67 was absolutely shocking. Most people still don't believe that that's how it happens, but I want you to present it to the residents. So that meant I had to go read all his papers.
So I learned about this. And, you know, most people listen to this podcast. What I'm about to say won't believe this, but it's axiomatically true. You don't heal bone ever. Bone regenerates completely.
So, for example, if you break your arm right now and you go have surgery, and I, the orthopedic surgeon, opens it up and looks for where your previous break was. There's no scar, really? None.
It's one of the few tissues in man where that's the case. You know, most people know about it. With the liver, you can cut half a liver out and it'll grow back. But we as mammals, especially the end of the line mammals, we don't have that ability in a lot of different areas. So what does Becker do? He does a bunch of work to figure out actually how this happens. And it turns out we create a DC electric current in us that actually causes red blood cells in the marrow to de differentiate. In other words, a red cell becomes a bone cell, and that is what heals the fracture. And it completely regenerates it so that there's no scar. So of course, he writes all this stuff up. Then he finds out actually how this goes. Like collagen and appetite that are part of bone are actually semiconductive proteins. He does experiments that show bone emits light just like an led diode. And just remember, this is going down in the sixties, bro.
So that's how the military found out about Becker's work, right? Okay. And he was the expert. Like, he was the Anthony Fauci of his time in bone regeneration. He worked in the VA hospital in Syracuse. So he had huge government contracts.
He was very, very prolific.
So in 73, when the government comes to him, theyre like, look, we want to know, will this antenna, since its going to use rf radiation, does it have any biologic effects for the people in the military or the people that live around it? Becker does the work with guys in his lab, and he finds out it does.
He writes a report in 73 to the secretary of the Navy, and they were stunned with what he found.
And he kept writing reports. The next thing he started to notice that all this stuff in the Federal register never got published. In other words, the research went in, but it never left DARPA.
And no one ever did about it. So what did Becker decide to do now? I don't know where you're from or where your family's from, but I'm originally from New York City. At the same time, we have a governor in New York named U. Kerry. They're trying to get electric power lines go from the city up to Niagara Falls to get more transmission lines.
So Becker starts doing some work on these power lines to prove to the military that that freaking antenna in Wisconsin is a real problem.
And he does something that's. To this day, most people still don't know this. You know, they still think it's conspiracy theory. Yeah, that power lines can harm you. But him and Marino, who is the guy that was in his lab. He's a biophysicist. Became a lawyer to defend Becker. They did a study on 765 kilowatt towers that are everywhere. Even here in cell towers. Yeah. No, these are elect. Remember there's no cells.
Danny Jones
Right. Okay. Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
At this time, these are electric towers for the power grid.
They changed the earth's magnetosphere 80,000 km above the surface of the earth. They proved this in 1974, 75, 76.
And not only did they write the military. Not only did they give this information to you, carry. They gave it to all the electric power companies.
And everybody was just like stunned.
Okay?
So you have to remember, this guy is.
He's like freaking Joe Montana of science at this time. And no one is listening to him because why? His message is very inconvenient. It's a truth. And it's a time we're retooling our economy from an industrial economy to an information technology. So the power grid's a big deal. The use of non native EMF, intel, Microsoft, Google. This is all the precursor stuff at this time. The big company at that time, which you probably know is IBM, believe it or not, IBM was already working on liquid crystalline displays that was using a lot of this stuff.
And DARpa was involved in that too. So DARPA and the military sucked Becker in. They're fueling and fueling and fueling it until the truth comes out. And what does he do?
1977, he's so frustrated, he gets on 60 minutes and he tells the world the truth.
He tells them exactly what I just told you when I said it to you. Your eyeballs got really big. Because a lot of people, even now, 50 years later, don't realize what he's really found. Is that all of this shit has biologic effects. I don't care what it is. You put those apple things in your ear, dude. That's the stupidest thing you could ever do.
Danny Jones
I stopped using them a few months ago. I got the wired ones now.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, that's not good.
Danny Jones
The wired ones probably aren't good either.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, because you're still getting jumped conduction into your ear, which will bring you to my work. My work is the next level of Becker. Like, if Becker had lived, he would have looked for the source of the DC electric current. Well, we found it.
Danny Jones
What were you saying was the reason that Susan, the former CEO of YouTube, she had some sort of cancer? You think it had something to do with this?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, I don't think. I know. Okay.
She has a very interesting story. Her mother is named Esther.
Esther is known as the grandmother of Silicon Valley. All the kids were tied.
Danny Jones
Oh, wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse
To her. That's why I said, you need to really understand the metrics that we're talking about. And the reason why this is very interesting is because I'm entangled now to people like Nicole and people like Bobby. Bobby didn't know this, but Nicole does because she was married to Sergey Prynne. So when we started talking about this, her and I, obviously, when she has a kid with autism and she's a patent attorney for Google, and I tell her, no, I'm not gonna help you. Cause you're the person that actually caused the problem. And I have to tell you, I was not a nice guy to her. I mean, brutal to her.
Danny Jones
Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, yeah. This is, like, probably a year and a half ago. And she offered me at that time, $100 million to build a decentralized our research facility with Bukele down in El Salvador. And I told her, I said, bro, hold my beer. I'm not doing this. Why? Because I don't trust you. I know who you were married to. I know things about Google. I know things about what Bryn's all about. I know the story, how it's tied to ARPA, DARPA, the Internet, how you got the information, and you and your husband are the reason why blue light exists on every screen in this country. And that's what's getting your generation really sick. That's really where the chronic disease epidemics begin, because that makes it way worse.
And when I told her a little bit of the story, I said, do you really know where DARPA, the CIA, and everybody got this information and then studied it? And she said, no. I said, well, I'm going to tell you where echoes autism comes from. Comes from the jewish mafia. Okay.
In the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, the names that, you know, Bugsy, which they made a movie about mo Dalits, who's the guy started Vegas and the big guy.
You're right here in Tampa. So you should know a little bit about Meyer Lansky.
Danny Jones
Meyer Lansky.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Meyer lan.
Danny Jones
Traffic onte.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct.
Danny Jones
Well, traffic wasn't jewish, but.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, but traffic on day is really important because of how this ties in JFK. Dark.
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So you need to realize what happens is at that time, because I know, you know, probably a lot of the story.
Cuban revolution happens in 59. Cuba comes in the Chicago mob, who's friends with the guys in the jewish mob through the Capone crime syndicate in. In Chicago that was later taken over by God. What's his name? Sam.
I'm blanking on his name.
Danny Jones
Yeah, I know who you're talking about.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But anyway, they go boom.
In Cuba, they lose a lot of money. Who's the guy that's the accountant for this? It turns out that it's actually Meyer Lansky. And who's the shooter for all this? Is trafficante, and they're based here in Florida.
So when that goes down Mo with Johnny Rossetti, who's also part of the Hollywood scene, they get together and Moses. I got an idea. Let's go build a casino in a desert. Everybody thinks he's crazy at first, okay?
So they build Vegas, and they say it makes more sense to them to go to a place.
Danny Jones
What year was this?
Dr. Jack Kruse
This is the 1940s.
Danny Jones
Okay, so this is a casino. The same place we're dropping all the nukes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Believe it or nothing, that's where his idea came from.
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Dr. Jack Kruse
He was like, nobody will ever think that we can create the biggest racket in the world. And just for your audience, because I'm a big history guy and I think you need to know all these bits and pieces. Cause I know we're jumping around, but do you know where the term a money laundering comes from?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Comes from Odalitz, comes from Bugsy. It comes from Meyer Lansky. What they use, the jewish mob used laundromats to launder money, to skim it, to keep it away from the government.
Danny Jones
Oh, wow. Yeah, I think I have heard that before.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. So that's where this came from. And then Mo and Rossetti and Meyer Lansky, they have the reputation that's very different than the italian mob. The italian mob is kind of like guys that are going to shoot you up, and it's kind of bloody. These guys are much more reserved, okay? And they're like accountants. They really care more about the money and the business being sustainable of a long time. Well, they become very, very successful in the 1940s. So successful that something else is happening in the world that you probably know about. Albert Einstein worked with General Groves in the Manhattan project. It's successful. 1945. So in 1948, the jewish state that was still not made yet offered Albert Einstein to be the first president.
And it turns out their military arm, which is known as the Mossad, actually have Lansky and Dalits.
They're their guys in the United States. Okay?
Danny Jones
Lansky and who?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Lansky and Moe Dalitz.
Danny Jones
Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
They were Mossad agents here in the United States.
So what do they do?
They go to Vegas and they realize that there is no regulations. It's the Wild west. They build it from the ground up.
Everybody in Chicago and the italian families are making fun of these jewish guys doing this because they're not bringing in the bank, like these guys are bringing in in Cuba, 59 happens, and guess what happens.
All the italian guys get turned off. They're losing millions of dollars, and they're furious. So, you know, they hate Castro. So what do they do? They have their friends. Mo has been working for 1213 years in the desert. And what does Mo do? He steadily and slowly increase his profits. But guess what he does. How does he do it? Does he shoot anybody up or do anything like that? No. The first thing he did is he put one arm bandits in all the casinos. He blew litanous everything.
Why? Because he paid attention to how people spent money. He realized when you used artificial light, it seemed like people spent more money. So then what's the second thing he does? In, like, 19, 52, 53, he starts painting all the windows in the casino.
Danny Jones
Black, so you can't see outside.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Can't see outside, and he doesn't want to go outside. Then that's the last thing he does.
Danny Jones
Gets rid of the clocks. Is that what he does?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That the clocks were gone already? Okay, but the best part is then he brings in girls scantily clad, and he starts giving people alcohol while they gamble.
And what does he basically do? He creates an army of low dopamine idiots in the desert who they don't have to shoot. They go into their pocket and pay all the money to. So, of course, at this time now, after groves is out, he gets Truman to change the OSS to the CIA in 47. The CIA knows exactly what Dalits is doing, and they know that they're. They're avoiding taxes.
So they decide, we need to go find out. Is there any science behind any of this stuff? So where are we right now? 48, 51, 52. So you may have heard of this program called mkultra?
Danny Jones
Once or twice.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Okay, so, mkultra is the merging of two things. The first thing gets merged is this idea from Dalits that they're going to study it. Then there's another guy who's a 1937 surgeon, SS guy named Kurt Plotkin. Plotkin worked with the Nazis. His idea was mind control through the use of mexican peyote.
So he starts doing his stuff, and the CIA is looking at the effect of light and wireless technology and things like that that these guys are using, and they begin to study it. They hire a guy named Sidney Gottlieb. Gottlieb runs the program from 50 through 53, through which we think 64 before, of course, all these things are destroyed. But there's a lot of interesting things that the government finds out. That is transferred to DARPA. When does DARPA first form? 1958. So, all this information from the CIA and FBI are transferred into DARPA.
DARPA then takes it the next level. They go and they hire a guy in New Orleans. I told you we'd eventually come back to New Orleans. Guy named Alton Oster. He becomes. He's first an FBI asset as a surgeon, but then he becomes a CIA asset because of this issue. Here they go and hire a PhD researcher named Delgado, and he's working in the two lane neurosurgery department and neurology.
They get them out of that really quick, and they send them to Mexico, and they start putting wires into the bull's head to find out, can they stop and control the bull using electric signals? Why? Because they already have started to learn about Becker's work. So now this is the idea. Now they're trying to execute. They're trying to use this as a weapon. Got it.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So what happens in this whole time, you. The crazy stories that you've heard Bobby and I talk about on the tetragrammaton podcast, where Gottlieb basically takes the Air Force plane over St. Louis and drops LSD on the whole city in the mid 1950s to see the effect. They found out mescaline didn't work. So the next step after that was to use LSD. That's one of the famous things that we did find out from the church commission that they physically did. So this is what I would tell you is Operation Northwoods. Probably negative 2.0, which is when the government thought it was a good idea that they could just do whatever the fuck they wanted to the United States populace. They wouldn't know it, so they didn't need any informed consent. Okay. A lot of people think, you know, talk about Tuskegee and the airmen and the syphilis dude. There's a pattern with the industrial military complex. When they want to do something, they don't even ask for forgiveness. They don't ask for permission either. They just do it. So, when they do this and Gottlieb fails, what sight lines are really good for DARPA is. This work that Delgado is doing is amazing.
So they said, okay, you could do it with wired technology. And they were able to turn the bull off as soon as he was going to spear the matador.
They said, let's try to do this wireless. Why? They had all the patents and everything they stole from Tesla. They also had all Marconi's work at the same time. Member Motorola is now one of the guys that's the industrial military company.
They know that wireless telephony is actually coming, so they decide to employ it here first.
So Delgado finds out that actually it does work. You can do it without wires. You don't have to do brain surgery on the animal to do it.
And then they asked the next question.
Danny Jones
They didn't have to. They didn't have to install anything in the brain.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, they did not. But this was the key step. This is the step where I think your audience, you people, find it incredulous when I tell them the next step was, could you do this using light and light alone? And it turns out they found out you could.
If you use blue light specifically, it actually destroys the dopamine reward tracks in your brain.
Just so you know, meta and Google today own those patents, remember? Who's the Google patent attorney?
Nicole Shanahan.
So I said, nicole, do you remember all the work you had to do? And she goes, yeah. She goes, I could never figure out what all this was about. Well, you need to know a little bit about Google's history.
Google was formed in 1995 when DARPA gave the search algorithm to these two cats from Stanford. You know about Stanford now, right? You talked to me about Uberman. Why they want to talk to me? You started put two and two together yet?
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So the issue is these guys created the Internet. They connected all these colleges all over where the academicians were to share this information.
So this information is going all around in this area.
They basically then figure out and perfect the delivery of blue light technology through screensh. Who is the big tech company in the 1950s and sixties that were doing this?
Turns out that's IBM. And IBM is working on liquid crystalline displays. And I remember this is in the fifties and sixties. You as a young man never saw those tvs until the nineties.
Okay? And then it got a boost from who? Obama, who made the analog to digital transition so that you'd have to use what, lcd screens?
And then what else did he do? We're going to ban incandescent bulbs. Why? Because incandescent bulbs not only have fake blue light, but they also have purple and red, which is what you need as the antidote to blue.
Danny Jones
They were banned.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, well, they. The first ban was from Obama saying, we're going to get rid of these under the guise that they're not energy efficient because they burn too much. You probably remember when you were a little kid, you touched an incandescent bulb. It's hot as shit.
Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, the proxy that they're using to you is, oh, well, they burn too much energy because they have uv light and red light in it, and that makes heat. So therefore, we should get rid of that do blue. But you have no idea that DARPA and the government already want blue light everywhere so they can control you with it. That's the real answer behind this whole program.
So what happens then?
Danny Jones
Well, how do they control us? By putting blue light in front of us. By surround making. Our worlds are surrounded by these screens and these telephone, like, these phone screens. How do they control us with this light?
Dr. Jack Kruse
I just told you. They control by killing us. No, they control your dopamine reward tracks. In other words, they're dumbing you down. They're making you much more likely to precondition. Which brings us to.
Danny Jones
We are. We are dopamine slaves, for the most part. Now, most people.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, you're the guy that's sitting with zins right next to me.
Danny Jones
I'm asking you if zins are good. Yeah, I can't go anywhere without my zins. I'm telling you, it's a problem.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But that's the reason why it's all starting to make sense. I'm trying to bring the picture together for you so you understand it. So, the chick you just asked me about, Susan, who started YouTube as a Google founder, what you may not know about. You ever hear the Marshmallow experiment that was done at Stanford when she was a child member? She just died. She's 56. Okay, so she's a little bit younger than me.
Her mother puts her into this program, which is part of the MkUltra program, to precondition her mind. Every single tech CEO has been in this program, just so you know that. So she goes through it, and she actually performs better than anyone else. In other words, she will follow the rules and be very compliant.
Sergey, go surround. And so does Larry Page.
So the Marshall name of the program called the Marshmallow Experiment.
Danny Jones
Marshmallow experiment.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It was the second generation of the milligram experiment, which you can actually look at. And what I'm trying to explain to you, there's MkUltra 1.0 that we all found out about when I was a young man. You aren't even born yet. That's through the church commission.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Two things we found out there. Not only that MkUltra exists, but some of the things we're doing. But we also found out then that the CIA had 400 people in the media that they paid. Dan rather and Walter Cronkite, right? Yeah, Dan Rather and Cronkite being, you know, the key players there. So when you begin to start to see the timeline and all these stories come together, well, Jakey gets the YouTube gig.
What is YouTube? YouTube is a screen where you're developing videos. You know you're addicted to it right now.
Danny Jones
I make my living.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's what addiction is all about. But guess what? The other question I want you to ask yourself, as a young guy, that's supposed to be smart.
Have you ever asked yourself why it is that every screen comes out blue? That they don't have red? You actually have to put software in to change it.
Danny Jones
You can. I got mine set to where, like, it turns red after, like, 07:00 p.m.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, that doesn't work. Let me look at mine. What? It does. That's how it should look.
Danny Jones
Whoa.
Is that a special app?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. So you can. You can. We'll talk about it after we finish this. But the point that I want to make to you, the question you need to ask yourself, why is it that every tech company has blue lit screens? I'm going to tell you the reason why. It's because that's how DARPA wants it. They want you to be very addicted to the technology.
So it's sticky.
That way you can be programmed further. So. Wow. Oh, no, it's. It's even more wild than that. You. You haven't even got to the wow stage.
So what happens with this lady?
She wounds up being compliant, just like she was with YouTube. You want to know why all these people get censored? She did whatever DARPA, whatever the industrial military complex wanted. That's the reason why people were having their shit removed. If you want to know, the reason why bitcoin content gets removed is because DARPA is not interested in bitcoin. Because their energy to fuel their whole process is cheap, fiat money. Bitcoin is. Is actually a nuclear weapon for them.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Because you can't print money to do all the COVID shit they're doing.
She goes and rolls her sleeves and takes a job.
She gets, you know, the turbo cancer. She dies literally, very quickly, within, think, six or seven months.
Danny Jones
Turbo cancer?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, that's from the SV 40 promoter that's in the jets.
She gets screwed by the other part of the story. We haven't got to yet.
Danny Jones
So she. When did she develop this cancer?
Dr. Jack Kruse
She just died earlier this year.
Danny Jones
But how long has she had the cancer? Like, when did she get cancer?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Six months before she died.
Danny Jones
She got diagnosed six months before stage four lung cancer.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Never smoked. Sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it, to Jack Ruby? Remember how he done.
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah, that's exactly. That's.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, so why did I lead this way? Cause guess what? I just finished telling the story.
Danny Jones
Steve, pull up the actual documented account of Jack Ruby, how he died.
Dr. Jack Kruse
His name isn't Jack Ruby, just so you know.
Danny Jones
Right. I know it's Jack Rubenstein.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And he also is a massage agent, just so you know that.
Danny Jones
Let's see what the Google machine says about Mister Rubenstein. Jack Ruby.
Type in Jack Ruby. Oh, you can't find his death.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's not. That's not. He died. He died right around when Garrison was doing.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right when the trial. The trial.
Danny Jones
Jolly west.
So after Ruby shot Oswald, Jolly west started visiting him in prison. Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But you know how he got the SV 40, though, wasn't that way.
Let me. Let me tell you the story. So you got it because you really. We probably need to jump into the polio story so you understand this part of it.
Danny Jones
Type in search for cancer.
Dr. Jack Kruse
He. He gets pneumonia while he's in Dallas. He's writing.
He's writing the Warren commission to tell them to get him out of Dallas because he knows Carlos Marsala has got a plan for him. Well, he's going to use the bioweapon that they created on magazine street in New Orleans with Oschner. I just got finished telling this whole story in detail at Dealey Plaza to Bobby and to Nicole and to their administrative team. And I have to tell you, the guy that was filming and his eyeballs nearly melted, about to melt.
It's a good story, but it's the truth.
The way in which you'll find out that I know the truth, that's going to really blow your mind. But the story of Ruby is interesting.
He is in Dallas. He's talking to the Warren commission, says, you got to get me out of Dallas and get me to DC because I know they're going to do something to me. He already knows what's going to happen, but he doesn't know how it's going to happen. So he develops pneumonia in Dallas. All this is discovered by you and your guy back there.
So the doctors come in and they give him penicillin. Flu shots. Turns out in that flu shot was the SV 40. He gets stomach cancer and dies like that, just like your girlfriend from YouTube. And guess what? Why was that bioweapon created? That bioweapon was created by the industrial military complex and Alton Ochner to get rid of Castro.
Okay. And guess who was the front for this whole thing, the mob was involved in this. Most people don't know this, but Carlos Marcelo grew up with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans.
So he was one of the guys that was working for him. And Oswald was also in the CIA. So if you want to know, the part of the story that no one has ever figured out is why did Oswald was able to go to Russia, come back with carte Blanche, and never have any problem?
Because he needed to be in a communist country so that Castro would allow him to bring this tainted cigar that he was going to smoke, get the sv 40, and die. So that should ask the question in your head. Jack had the industrial military complex. The CIA and the FBI all know that this thing was going to kill him. That fast. Well, I already told you what happened to Susan. Boom. I already told you what happened at Rubenstein. Boom. Now let's get to the real story. So 1951 comes along, and you know the story about FDR. He's got polio. His lawyer starts the march of dimes. Kids are sending dimes, nickels and quarters to Jonah Salk. Jonas Salk makes this vaccine. He gives it to the pharmaceutical companies. There's four companies that he gives it to, but the one that you need to remember. Cause your boy's gonna be able to pull it up. It's called Cutter pharmaceuticals. Turns out Cutter. C u t t e R. No doctor ever learns about what I'm about to tell you now, okay? It's been whitewashed from history.
So here's the interesting part. Cutter Pharmaceuticals is in charge of growing this. Remember the date. The date is really important for you. Get 1951. When was DNA discovered, my friend? 1953, by Watson and Crick. So we're in the pre molecular biology age. Okay.
Danny Jones
Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Qatar tells all the four pharmaceutical companies. Tell Salk that his mix is very difficult to grow this vaccine.
So what do they do? Salk says, I think we need to use a primate that's close to humans. Then we'll have a good culture, media. So what do they do? They use the african green monkey. Okay. Turns out there's something they didn't know. Here's the good. Here's the good part of the story and getting ready to step. Step into crazy town.
Um, they're able to grow the vaccine on the african green monkey. They use kidney cells that they grew it on. Okay.
They create salk's vaccine. And guess who's the first guy to test it? Doctor Ochner in New Orleans at the Ochsner Medical foundation.
Things that you need to know about Austin. He used to be, he was a surgeon. He was very famous for being an anti cancer guy.
He used to tell medical students way back when that if this patient has lung cancer, I want you to come and see it, because you'll never see another case in your life. That's how rare cancer was in the 19 hundreds to 1920s. That's this guy's reputation where you're catching him right now in this part of his life. He's probably in his sixties. He's the dean of Tulane medical school. He's also the head of surgery after Rudolph Matas, who's a big famous surgeon in New Orleans that people today would know.
Something interesting happens right around this time where he loses and gets thrown out. Do you know what? It was 1951. He brings the vaccine into the amphitheater. The surgical amphitheater calls the entire medical staff of Oscar.
He brings his grandson and grandchild in there, and he injects both of them with the Qatar vaccine. His grandson died in seven days of polio.
His granddaughter gets polio in her leg. She doesn't die. Okay?
Everybody who's ever trained in New Orleans knows about this story. Now younger doctors, now they don't learn about it. I was probably the last group of people, late eighties and early nineties. Do you know why? Ochsner was already dead. But you know who was alive? His son.
And guess where I did two years of my neurosurgery residency? My friend.
Ochsner Medical foundation.
Oh, it gets better. Hold on.
So I'm doing my first year of residency, and you know who's filming JFK in the basement of charity hospital?
Oliver Stone.
So it's going down right then and there. And here I am, a dude from New York in the deep south, seeing all this shit storm going around me. Do you know who my ER nurse was?
Virginia Garrison. Jim Garrison's daughter. This is the DA that put Clay Shaw on trial for the assassination of JFK. And no one ever made the links that I'm about to tell you.
So I'm sitting there while this whole thing is going on, my first year, and Virginia knows that in two months, I'm getting ready to go to Austin. She looks at me, she goes, bro, you better be really careful about what. What you do when you go there. She goes. Because this guy's one of the most nefarious people you'll ever meet. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And she starts telling me some stories about what her dad really knew, because the guy that he wanted to put on trial was Alton Oster. But they put Clay Sean trial. You have to realize something.
In this day, putting Alton Oster in New Orleans on trial would be like putting Fauci on trial in Washington DC. Right now. You have no chance of telling the story that I'm about to tell you.
So remember, Oschner is the first ever national cancer institute doctor. I told you, he's the anti cancer doctor.
So after he does this to his grandchildren, he then turns around and tells the industrial military complex, because that's who is developing this, that. Look, we need to slow our roll down. We need to get this right. Uh, we need to fix the problem.
So they casually turn all the science over to a doctor named Doctor Bernice Eddy at the NIH.
Doctor Eddie does all this work. From 51 through 5354, DNA gets discovered. And guess what doctor Eddie finds out.
All the original polio vaccines that Salk came up with were all tainted with sv 40, and no one knew it because DNA hadn't been discovered yet. So she tells everybody in the NIH, she tells everybody in the FDA that this has gone on. And what does the industrial military complex do? My friend, they fucking passed the jab out to 300 million people in the world and they created the whole epidemic of cancer.
And guess what? Did the industrial military complex allow Bernice Eddie to tell this story to anybody? No. So guess what Bernice Eddie did?
She got canceled before Becker, 25 years before that. What did she do? She gave it a talk. And I think it was 1955 at the New York Academy of Sciences. And at the end of the talk, she drops the little nugget that I just dropped to you that, oh, by the way, all the polio viruses were. Were contaminated with SV 40. And what SV 40 stands for, for those in your audience don't know, simian virus 40. So that means there was 39 other viruses that are out there.
Okay, what do you need to know, my friend, about SV 40? This is the only thing. Take a look at me. I want you to look at me. And not that this is the most important thing of this story.
Danny Jones
I'm looking.
Dr. Jack Kruse
The SV 40 promoter allows things to get across the nuclear membrane to get in to where rna and DNA is and do bad things.
Okay, so what does the government do after Eddie announces this to the freaking scientific world? They defund her lab. They take her out of the Nih.
She's lost to history.
Here's the best part.
You go look today at the FDA and NIH website. You'll notice from 51 through 57, you don't see anybody's name when I tell you this is better than 2024 YouTube cancellation.
You find no evidence of the cutter incident.
You know why most doctors don't know about it? Because of what I just told you. So here I am, training.
I don't know. This is like, maybe 27, 30 years after this event, and why do I find out about it? Not because I learned about it in medical school, because Virginia Garrison told me what went down. And then what did I do? I went to the medical school library and started pulling stories up. Then I went even further. I went to talk to Alton Ochsner son, who's a cardiothoracic surgeon who happens to do surgery with us. When we used to clip aneurysms, we used to clip aneurysms. We'd open the head, but we'd have to stop the heart to clip them. That's how long ago I've been a neurosurgeon. We don't do it like that anymore. Shit. So in one of those cases, it was a basilar tip aneurysm. Joe's opening the chest with one of his other doctors named Keith van Meter.
And Jo is sitting there, and I just casually tell my neurosurgery mentor at the time. I said, I'm going to ask him about all this.
And he goes, bro, I don't know if you really want to go there, but now here comes the part of the story that you're really gonna shit the bet on.
Danny Jones
So I have a shit left.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I said, jo.
I said, is it true what happened with your niece and nephew about, you know, the polio vaccine? He goes, this is the crazy thing. This guy was a real chatty guy. I thought he would shut me down, bro. He started talking to me for almost an hour and a half, 2 hours. And once he opened up about that, then I went for the nuclear weapon. And I mean this literally and figuratively. I said, jo, tell me, why is it that we have a nuclear device in the basement of a community hospital?
It's called the linac. And who uses that? Linacs are used to treat brain tumors. I said, I know you guys have done really well here. I said, but that's a hundred million dollar piece of equipment. And I said, we can barely get new instruments to do spine surgery in this hospital.
Danny Jones
What? So for people who are uninitiated, I'm gonna.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I'm gonna go there. Just. I'm trying to give you the punch in the mouth so you understand where we're going. So this is a device that is an electromagnetic device. That delivers radiation from gamma rays all the way to rf radiation. You can just turn it down.
No place outside of the nuclear regulatory commission has these devices at this time.
So when I was a first year resident and I walk over to Ochsner and I see a linac laying down on its side, and it looks like a nuclear weapon, I'm going, where in the fuck did we get the money for this? You know, and, you know, it's cool. Most doctors say, oh, well, we have cutting edge stuff. You know, we can treat brain tumors in the snap. That's not where I was going with it. I was like, where'd this come from?
So in this talk that I had with Jo, I had already been preconditioned by several of the people from the JFK movie and from Virginia Garrison herself.
And when she told me, she goes, there's more to this story that nobody knows that won't be in that movie that they're filming downstairs.
So she was really good about going to St. Charles Tavern and talking, especially when we came off a shift and I got her a little loaded and she started telling me about this polio virus and monkeys and this, that and the other thing. And I was like, well, I do know that we do a lot of monkey research at LSU. Cause remember, I'm. I'm an LSU resident, and we did have a monkey lab, and I didn't. I was like, wow. And I knew Tulane had a monkey lab.
So I'm starting to ask a lot of questions now. And what I find out is that Ochsner was that when this went down with his grandchildren and this Bernice Eddie thing, this is a very short period of time. Three year history. He goes from being an FBI asset to a CIA asset. Then the CIA, he. They ask him specifically, we want you to fix this sv 40 problem.
So what does he do? He goes out and he hires the world expert in viruses and oncology. Our name is doctor Sarah Stewart. She trained University of Chicago. You know where else is in the University of Chicago, right? That's where the nuclear program begins.
That's the Fermi research lab.
Danny Jones
Okay?
Dr. Jack Kruse
She gets her. Her compatriot, who's a classmate, doctor Mary Sherman, who's an orthopedic surgeon who's an expert in bone cancer.
He hires both of them. Guess what magically happens? Sarah Stewart is based at the us public Health hospital in New Orleans, at this time by the military. Mary Sherman is a staff doctor at Ochner Medical foundation running the game here.
They set up a bio weapons lab. The first of its kind on magazine street in an apartment. And guess who the three people there are running it?
A young girl who won a science project.
And when she was in. In Florida, she actually is from Florida. Her name is Judith Very Baker.
She was very interested in Sarah Stewart's work. And when she won this thing, Ochner pulled her and said, you're going to be the lab technician. She was promised a medical school education and a residency if she worked under Mary Sherman.
Who else is in this motley crew? David Ferry. We'll talk about him in a. In a bit. Who's the other person?
Lee Harvey Oswalt.
So guess what Lee Harvey Oswald, Judith Ferry, Baker and David Ferry are doing? They are running the bioweapons lab.
Danny Jones
What year again?
Dr. Jack Kruse
This is 19. 62. 63. Right before they killed Kennedy.
So what's happening? Because remember Oschner, how did he make all his money? So how did he get tied up in this whole thing? So you understand.
When I was a resident, he had this nice community hospital. Wasn't huge, but it's nice now. It's a massive place. But out in front of it he had all the flags for all the dictators that ran Central and South America. He used to take care of all of them. They were all right wing dictators. He was a right wing politician. That's the reason the people at Tulane university threw him out of being the dean and the head of surgery at Tulane. So what did he do? Instead of getting pissed off, he said, fuck it, I'm just gonna go open my own hospital to compete against you. So that's what he does. So how does he make it successful? He starts working with right wing politics. All these people come and he becomes enriched by this.
The military is obviously very interested in this because they're the people that overthrow these governments down there. That's why he was an FBI asset.
Wow. But when this shit hits with sv 40, the CIA says to him, you need to fix this.
Danny Jones
So what do you mean by fix it?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Meaning you just. The government knows that they just started the war on cancer. Like they gave the world cancer at record rates overnight.
Danny Jones
Did they know this was going to happen?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Absolutely. Because guess who told them? Sarah Stewart. She was the world expert that worked for the government.
And when she heard what they did, she said, you need to hire Mary Sherman. You need to put both of us on this project, and we need to do this in clandestine fashion. In fact, the day that David Ferry gets killed, Sarah Stewart's lab book was found by Jim Garrison.
This is a very interesting story. My friend. Now you can start to see why this is all really intertwined.
Danny Jones
So what did they mean when they said, you need to fix the SV 40 problem?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Meaning there has to be something that you can get that out of the genetic code. Okay, so what do they do? The CIA goes straight to the delegation in the United States Senate that controlled money at that time. Do you know who all of them were? All the people in Louisiana. How do you like that? This is UEP Long's son, who's a state senator. Hale Boggs. Remember, he was on the Warren commission?
Hale Boggs is the head of the appropriations committee. So, magically, Ochner gets a linac delivered to the us public health hospital that's across the street from children's hospital on Henry Clay Boulevard. And it's standing up in a building that is only three stories from the street, but it goes three stories down in the ground. And this thing is standing up like you would see a nuclear weapon, like in the planet of the apes. The first version, there's six targets that are pointing at the linac, okay?
They start using small little mammals with the polio virus injected, and they start zapping it with all different levels of radiation to see if they can eradicate it. This should not sound crazy to you, because that's exactly what oncologists do today, right? To tumors.
But guess where the problem lies? What did the oncologist. What did Sarah Stewart and Mary Stewart and the Motley crew find? The more they irradiate it, the more lethal the SV 40 became. In other words, it caused unbelievable cancer. And it happened like that. So these tests kept going on, going on, going on, going on, and then what happens? 1959, Castro comes in, and, you know that the FBI and the CIA, all that stuff that you've already talked with Ian Carroll about, and, well, who's the other guy? MARTYR made. You know, the.
Danny Jones
Yeah, I haven't talked to him, but.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That dude, he's the. He's the academic historian, and the other guy is like. I would call the conspiracy theorist Ian, but Ian's. He's not really a conspiracy theorist. A lot of what he believes is right. But this whole thing, nobody knows about what I'm telling you right now and how these things link, because, you know, I even said to Bobby, in the tetragrammaton podcast, I said, what's the difference between fact and fiction?
Fiction has to make sense. The story that I'm telling you right now, because I can see in your face, you're like, dude, this is the craziest story ever.
Danny Jones
I've never heard any of this stuff before.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, you won't, because I told you.
Do you think the YouTube stuff that you're going through now is bad? Do you think what? You know, the World Economic Forum and what Fauci's done is bad? Bro, you have no fucking idea.
And that's the reason I'm telling you. I was wise to this when Covid came, because I know this story. I lived it. It was in the beginning of my residency and I asked questions. That's all I did. I wanted to know why we had a Linux. I want to know why. What's going on in this polio story? And then I said, I want to know why the primate lab was moved from LSU in Tulane, and now it's sitting across the lake in Comington, Louisiana. Well, I got the answer through this story. Now I know the reason why.
So what happens is Mary Sherman is radiating the fuck out of these mice.
They would bring the mice to Judith Ferry Baker, who would homogenize it with Ferry and Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald was just the runner going back and forth and they had to have a front for him. And Judith Ferry Baker. What was the front? They worked on the coffee factory on Canal Boulevard.
So, just so you know. Did I do my homework on this? I had Judith Ferry Baker at my house on July 4, 2020 with the freaking receipts of them two working together.
It's published in her book. But I didn't believe her. I said, yeah, they were working together and he was an asset in this program. Why? Because he was going to be the one to deliver this bioweapon in a cigar to Castro. That's the reason he went to Russia.
So who's David Ferry in all this thing? David Ferry is a disgraced eastern airline pilot who was involved with the mafia, training the people for the Bay of Pigs. He was here in Florida and he was in Lake Pontchartrain. There's pictures of David Ferry and Oswald in Lake Poncer train everywhere in New Orleans. But you guys don't know about it because it was buried by guess who? The Warren commission. The FBI.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
The people that didn't want this story out. The only person that's still alive from this whole story is Judith Ferry Baker. She's like in her eighties.
Danny Jones
Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But she's written a book about it. And I can tell you that there was parts of the book that I knew about it. There was things that I knew that I knew she didn't know.
And there was something.
This is really important. There was something that I knew. Bobby Kennedy, if I told him, he would know that I wasn't full of shit. And that's kind of why I did the podcast with Rick Rubin and him. And when I told him, his eyeballs told me all I needed to know.
So when this project starts, they find out that this thing can't be fixed. In fact, they just made the most ESP 40, right? They just made the most lethal bioweapon on the planet. So what does the industrial military complex do? What any, anybody does now with, you know, bad things, let's take it as an opportunity.
So they develop it, and that's where they come with the idea to take Castro out, because at that time, the deal was, we're either going to take Castro out or we're going to take JFK out. Why was the JFK thing a big deal? JFK not giving air cover to the industrial military complex for the Bay of Pigs really was a huge, big deal.
And there was a lot of people like David Ferry, if you read the book about him, dude, he hated Kennedy, because all those guys, all those cuban exiles that he was training with, Oswald, they were all captured or killed. So. And he was got. He was actually a pilot in the Bay of Pigs invasion in 62.
Danny Jones
I interviewed one of them not too long ago.
Dr. Jack Kruse
There you go.
Danny Jones
Felix Rodriguez.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So what happens is that Oswald never wanted to kill Kennedy. He knew that what the situation was, if they didn't get Castro, they were going to have to do Kennedy. Which goes to the beginning of this podcast. Do you know the reason why Castro always stayed a step ahead of the CIA and FBI?
Trafficante was a double agent.
And guess how?
So this is where the story of the mob that very few people have put together at that time. You. I just told you that the casinos go boom.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So they lost a lot of their money.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Mo Dalits is kicking ass and taking names in, in Vegas. So the Chicago bosses.
I'm still blanking on his name. Sam. It begins with a c. His nickname used to be Momo. That'll show you. You may find it.
Danny Jones
Yes, to find him. Steve. Sam Momo, Chicago.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, well, he was. He's friends with Carlos Marsalo. Marsalo controls both Florida and New Orleans.
Trafficante starts doing deals with Castro. They started running all the drugs through Giacona. There you go. Sam Giancana. I just couldn't remember the name.
And he starts running drugs through Florida. And guess what? The italian mob finds out that this is more profitable in casinos. So the reason why this goes down is he cuts a deal with Castro that I'll feed you any information I get about you. But you keep letting us run the drugs through New Orleans and Florida.
So that's where the mob gets involved with drugs.
Nobody in the CIA, FBI knows really why this is going on. So Castro is never able to be killed. I think the CIA is on record saying they try to kill him seven, eight, nine times.
They were always unsuccessful because of the link I just told you.
So what happens next?
They go, and this is the best part of the story. This is the part of the story that really exonerates Lee Harvey Oswald. But the industrial military complex will never allow you to know it.
They have to test the weapon. Oschner knows that he has to test the weapon. So he goes to Angola prison, the same prison Johnny Cash is famous for going to singing. They find a guy on death row. They tell him they're going to inject him with something, but they tell him, you're going to die anyway, whether it be by the gas chamber or electrocution or here. But we'll give your family money. The guy actually agrees to do it. They transfer him to Angola, to a small little prison in Clinton, Louisiana. And you'll know why I know all this stuff and who drives up the bioweapon. They don't let Judith very Baker do it. They actually give it David Ferry. Lee Harvey Oswald and Clay Shaw are in the car. Do you want to know why they put Clay Shaw on trial? Because he was seen in Clinton, Louisiana, which at the time, in 1963, was a very black town. These are three white guys in a black cadillac.
This is the same day that Martha and Luther King gives his I have a dream speech. And why is this a big deal in Clinton? Because they're registering black people to vote. And guess who registers to vote that day in Clinton, Louisiana? Lee Harvey Oswald.
You'll be able to find it.
So guess what happens. This is how Garrison knew that Clay Shaw was going there. He didn't know what he was going to do, but he had an idea. So they go up to the prison. They inject the prisoner. He's dead within ten days of cancer.
So they get a positive on that. Guess what happens? Judith very Baker finds out what they did through Oswald, and she goes fucking ballistic. She goes back and tells Oschner. Ochner threatens her, says, you're no longer going to medical school.
Danny Jones
Who's Ochner again?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Ochner is the guy that. The doctor that. That started this whole process, okay? The polio guy, the guy that injected his kids.
Danny Jones
Oh, yes, his grandkids.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So he gets furious. She runs back to Florida.
What magically happens next?
Oswald tries the attempt to go to Cuba to deliver the cigar.
He's unsuccessful. Literally.
Danny Jones
Is this when he went to Mexico City and tried to get to Cuba?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Cuba, correct.
Danny Jones
Oh, my God.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's exactly right, bro. You're putting the dots together. I figured that you would once you hear all this. But here's the. The funny part of the story.
When he fails, he tells Judith Ferry Baker on the phone, which you can read about in her book. He says, they're going to kill Kennedy and I'm going to be the patsy. So the first attempt on JFK's life, believe it or not, is actually in Chicago.
Guess who foils it? Lee Harvey Oswald, with a phone call to the copse, tips them off and they can't kill him.
Danny Jones
They try to kill him here in Tampa, too.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right? But this is a month before they kill him in Dallas.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So in Dallas, what happens then? You know, the famous meeting between HL Hunt, Clint Murchison, Nixon, the Bush family, everybody's in this hotel, in the Marriott Hotel. That story gets told by LBJ's, you know, piece of ass on the side that get told. I think that got told in like, 2008, 2009. I actually knew about that because that was some of the juice that was dripped out to me in New Orleans.
And the reason it was important in New Orleans politics is because Lady Bird Johnson, again, this is how I fact checked it, to know it wasn't bullshit.
Clint Murchison, who was the first owner of the Dallas Cowboys, is an oil man.
Him and Lady Bird Johnson bought all the real estate from Dallas to New Orleans because I ten was built in the fifties when Nixon was the vice president. So Nixon told them where the road was going to go, and that's how they got tons of money.
So when I fact checked that, I was like, okay, this now is definitely plausible how all these people are tied together.
Then the final thing that I did after my residency is over, the us public health hospital gets decommissioned.
And I knew that when all this shit was going on with COVID I said, I need to go back down there and check the public health hospital out. I was fortunate because the same janitor that was there when I was a resident at Henry Clay Boulevard, he knew who I was. And I said, I see they're renovating the building. I said, do you think I can get in there? He goes, dude, nobody's used that in years. He goes, you know, it's kind of empty and I said, you remember the machine that was in there? I said, do you know where it went? He goes, no. No one ever told us this and that. Well, the same machine is in the basement of Oscar. That's what happened. And it was retooled by a technician so that it would lay down so we could use it for cancer patients.
Danny Jones
Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So how did I know the weapon was there? Two things.
The first way I walked in, I found out there was three stories below the ground that you can never see.
The thing that always was very unusual about this hospital, it has a huge wall. The walls about 15ft tall, like you would see around a base. And it didn't make any sense to me. It had these big, huge metal doors because they didn't want anybody in there. But the most remarkable thing about this, when I got to the basement, when I saw the six concrete stanchions that were there, massive grounding plates. The grounding plate, the wall behind you, from where that exit sign is to that corner, was that big and probably 5ft taller. And there's two of these in there with massive electric power lines going in there. I knew what it was right away. It was the grounding metal for the Linac. Because you have something, they make 30 million volt, so you have to have something to, you know, get rid of it.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So then it dawned on me, wait a minute.
I know another way that I can prove that this shit was going on back in the fifties and sixties.
I went to Entergy. Entergy is the electric power company in New Orleans. They have nuclear power plants. This not. So I walked in there and I said, can I see the bills for the us public health hospital?
You know, for these times, they're all covered by redaction and government stuff. So I knew right away that I was right at ground zero when this happens. Now, just when you think the story's over, six months after JFK gets killed, David Ferry gets killed.
Okay, wow. Jim Garrison.
Danny Jones
Why would he die?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No one knows.
So this is the. This is how I got Bobby entangled into this. I'm talking about RFK Junior.
So I would have no way of knowing this, okay? But I'm about to tell you, it's very public that Jim Garrison was at the crime scene because he was the DA in New Orleans. Ferry is found dead. He kept telling everybody in the French Quarter that he was going to die when JFK got killed. Why? Because he knew. He. He told everybody they're going to kid. They had to kill Lee Harvey Oswald because Marcelo was linked to him. He was a key. Ruby was the guy to do it. Then they took Ruby out as well. So you could see everybody's dropping. So Judith was back in Florida. They couldn't find it. The only person who knew who she was was trafficante. And everybody thought for sure Travis Conte would get her, but he never did.
And what happens with Ferry?
At his death scene, Bobby Kennedy Sr. Calls on the phone.
Or I should say Jim Garrison calls Bobby Kennedy Sr. Because Kennedy and Kennedy senior and Garrison are talking. Why? Because Garrison knows that there's a conspiracy to kill JFK that began in New Orleans. That, and he knows that Lee Harvey Oswald's got nothing to do with it. He knows that Oscar Clay Shaw, he's putting pieces together, okay? The CIA, the FBI, they're bugging his office, so they knew he was getting close. That's why they try to make him look like a clown show.
But this is the key point.
When Garrison calls Bobby Kennedy senior to tell him about what he found, guess who answers the phone.
Bobby Kennedy junior. Guess who knew that? Me. And I told Bobby that in the Tetragrammaton podcast. I'd have no way of knowing that.
So that's how he knew that I wasn't a tinfoil cap guy. I was.
I put this whole thing together, and I knew. Dude, I knew about this from the beginning of my residency. And that's part of the reason that I went to talk to Becker, because I knew his part of the story was tied to this part of the story.
And this is before COVID but it's also now. Explains to you why I didn't trust anybody during COVID When I saw there was two legal definitions, I knew that Pfizer was going to use the SV 40 promoter, but I had no way to prove it, my friend. None.
Because, you know, I'm not a molecular biologist anymore. I can't do those things. I'm not doing research. I'm in clinical practice. But I knew. I knew what these motherfuckers were capable of.
And when I saw that, I was like, okay, then the 2020 version of Bernice Eddy comes to the scene. This is a guy you really should interview on your podcast. His name is Kevin McKiernan. You know anything about him?
Danny Jones
Kevin McKiernan?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yes.
Danny Jones
No, I never heard of him.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You need to write his name down, because this guy, to me, is an absolute patriot and hero.
So, Kevin, you need to know a little about his backstory, because guess what? It ties to the Google boys, and it ties to DARPA. Remember Craig Ventnor, human genome Project?
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Clinton administration? Yep. Told everybody humans are going to have 100,000 genes. Chimps and monkeys will have 25,000 because we're so better than them.
That blows up in his face. He's a transhumanist. Just like the guys at Google. Just like Bodieski. Just like everybody in Silicon Valley.
Danny Jones
Yeah. So the transhumanist thing is bizarre.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, it's not. It actually makes total sense. Dude, these are all people who have been through the marshmallow experiment, bro. They're all been zapped by the industrial military complex.
We ain't done yet.
Take a drink of your. Your liquid death.
Danny Jones
I need that. I need one of these.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So.
Danny Jones
So the transhumanist thing, I always thought it was a scam.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No.
Oh, no. It's actually evidence. It's evidence of MkUltra 2.03.04. .0 but guess what MkUltra is called today? Do you know any of your conspiracy boys ever done?
Danny Jones
I have no clue.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Brain health initiative, set forth in 2013 by President Obama. Do you know where it's based? In Central and South America. Isn't that funny that it's in the same places where you can't find it? And do you know where it's hidden? In places called centers of excellence?
How do you know that I'm right? Do you remember the story I told you about Sidney Gottlieb before in Mkultra 1.0 when he took LSD and dripped it down on St. Louis? Do you know who sponsored that experiment? Washington University in the US Navy.
That's also discoverable. Do you know where Washington University is?
Danny Jones
Washington.
Dr. Jack Kruse
St. Louis.
It's a major medical school in St. Louis. They were part of it. Do you know who sponsored the Brain Health Initiative?
Washington University and the US Navy.
How do you like that?
Danny Jones
Are you. Did you put this together by yourself?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yep.
Bro. No one else talking about this, just so you understand. Why.
What do doctors do? Especially good doctors? They're diagnosticians. They take a mystery and a patient to try to figure out what's going on.
This mystery. I've been picking up clues and breadcrumbs for 30 years of my medical training, and I don't fucking forget anything, bro.
You see, I'm doing this all from my memory right here. Do I have any notes in front of me?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And I'm. The only thing I blanked on was the dude's name from Chicago.
Danny Jones
Right? Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So this story isn't. Isn't finished yet. So the brain health initiative comes in this stuff is being done in places right now.
Many of the things that you're seeing in the transhumanist movement is actually being done. So now you may start to understand why we have an open border.
All the people that have been through these training programs in Central and South America are being let into the United States, and they're being deployed in very specific cities. So you want to know why Springfield, Ohio, has who they have there? Do you want to know the reason why people are being brought into Alabama?
There's a reason, my friend.
Do you understand the game that's going on?
Danny Jones
Why, why are they specifically bringing people into Springfield, Ohio, and Aurora, Colorado, and all this stuff? Like, what, what's the significance of those places?
Dr. Jack Kruse
What would a transhumanist do? Does the transhumanist really have any care about the people that are here, or do they want their people that are easily controllable in, like did Sujin Wojcicki? Wait, wait.
Danny Jones
My definition. I thought the transhumanists were just like, where people who were going to get their brains frozen after they died.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, they're. They're more than that, my friend. They're. They're the same people. Like Bill Gates dad. They're eugenics.
They want to trim everybody. They're not interested. Like, if you sat down and, and talked to Nicole, she will tell you stories.
But the reason I'm paying attention to this is you need to realize I pay attention to all of the families of the big Silicon Valley people. Why? Because they are all tied to Mkultra 4.05.0, every single one of them.
And there's a reason they follow the rules of the industrial military complex, because they're designed to do that.
Okay? And guess what? They get that training at the universities that they went.
Stanford, Harvard.
Just remember, all these people come from my friend.
Name any of them.
Danny Jones
Is this why you moved out of the country?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Pretty much. And look, I've been saving this for 30 years, and I believe we're in the 9th inning, that if November 5 goes the wrong way, that we're Venezuela. We are where Venezuela was in 2005, 2006.
And Chavez comes in and they take our guns. Kamala's already said she wants the guns.
Danny Jones
My problem, she changed it in the, in the debate.
Dr. Jack Kruse
She's still full of shit. You know it. Yeah, but here's my problem.
55% of the United States population has been mkultra through the screen technology.
So they're all obedient idiots. So here's my position. This goes very proximal to what Ann Ryan wrote in Atlas Shrug, if we ever get to a point where it's mob rules, which is exactly why the democrats always say democracy and not constitutional republic, bro, this is the problem.
And I believe we're here. And, you know, you and I are in Florida right now. I haven't told you this. I have to come back one more time to vote, and I vote in Florida.
Danny Jones
Oh, do you vote here?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yes, I do, because I have a clinic in Destin.
And when I talked to Bobby about this, he goes, look, I need you to vote for me.
Even in that state, he's changed his tune after he joined forces with Trump. Now he wants me to vote for Trump.
And I reiterated that literally two days ago in Nicole. I asked Nicole straight, she goes, nope, we want you to vote for Trump.
My nurse who you spoke with, Chantal, Nicole, told her the same thing. We want you to vote for Trump.
Danny Jones
And not for Bobby.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No. Because now, well, he dropped out, so. Well. But the thing is, there was a talk that he needed to get the 5% to get the third party, but now he realizes, I think, how serious the situation is. So the podcast that I told you to listen to before I came on with you is the Lexus Jasmine podcast.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I made a prediction in there before it happened. I said, they're going to come and get Trump again. And guess what? The day that we did the live x event with Nicole, that guy at the golf course, right? That happened right then and there. And I'm telling you right now, they're not done. I expect at least two to three more times. Because guess what?
The only way to ensure the next step of the plan, because what is the real story of COVID Covid is not what any of you think.
Covid was an. It's a compliance test for a coming economic reset. So remember, I told you earlier that the industrial military complex, it's energy. The source is cheap money.
Cheap money is how they fuel all these things. So parts of the story that we glanced over that I'm going to tell you that I actually told Doctor Lexis, these parts are really going to infuriate you. So I told you how we got the money laundering thing through drugs and how it started with Castro and travicante. What if I tell you that the war on drugs part two started with the Iran Contra affair with Ronald Reagan and Oliver north? The story that you've believed as a young boy was that it was about running guns to Nicaragua. What if I told you it wasn't that at all? It was to make sure that the industrial military complex captured the pathway between the colombian drug cartel and the mexican cartel so that they could deliver opioids right into the United States.
Danny Jones
Fun. Black ops, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And that's exactly what Iran Contra was all about. It's not a pile of money. Okay, so are you familiar with Danny Sheehan?
No.
Danny Jones
Harvard lawyer who?
He worked on the Iran Contra case, the Pentagon papers case, the Watergate case, all these cases. He came in here and basically elucidated all this stuff beautifully. But he's the one who's how he got my education in this.
Dr. Jack Kruse
All right, well, perf. Perfect. Then I don't have to go through it again.
Danny Jones
No, no, you know, I don't mean interrupt, but I just want.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I just want you to understand what the goal was. It was to create a pile of money. So what has the government done?
First, Social Security. They stole. Okay? Then you have Iran Contra. You know, when that. What goes down, that's another pile of money that they start the war on drugs. The government is fueling this because they need the money to run black ops, right? Here's the big one. Who gets hired in 1982, my friend. And at the same time, Anthony Fauci.
Danny Jones
Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
By Reagan. What else happens right then and there? At that time, you might remember somebody in the industrial military complex came up with the idea, how about we have Americans donate and to their own retirement called the Roth or Sep IRA, so we can create this huge pile of money that the treasury and the Fed will watch, which has never been audited to this day.
So what did they do? They came up with another plan through Congress so that now Americans put all their retirement money in so they're able to launder that money, too. So now let's do a hard stop, because I'm not. I haven't talked to you about this at all.
I don't know if you're a bitcoin or not. And maybe you can understand now I.
Danny Jones
Don'T pay, like, a close attention to it, but I own. I understand. I own some.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You will. After what I'm about to tell you, you're going to change that in a lickety split minute.
So all this money is sitting in there. No one's able to audit it. So fast forward, I don't know, 20 years ago, you heard about a guy named Bernie Madoff, right? You know about what he did?
How did he get outed? The owner of the New York Mets at the time, Nelson Doubleday, put some of his money in there and he asked for it back when he was going through financial hardship, and that's what took Bernie Madoff down.
Bernie gets thrown into jail.
But guess what also happens? The government realizes as soon as Madoff goes down, if anybody starts asking for money back, they're going to have a problem. So how old are you?
Danny Jones
30. I just turned 37.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Beautiful. So I want you thinking about your mom and dad. They're boomers like me. Who is going to be all these people that opened up Roth Iras, starting to retire right about now.
What happens when you taper a Ponzi scheme and people start taking their money out?
Danny Jones
Collapses.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Have you ever looked at the rules for a Roth? Oh, you don't have to take it all out all at once. Just take a little bit out of time. We'll let you go all the way to 70.
So go look at the years the boomers were built. The last year is 64.
So.
Danny Jones
So you're saying the boomers are.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Hold on, let me finish.
Danny Jones
Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I'm developing this idea for you.
So, in bitcoin, we have guys like Max Kaiser. We have the big bitcoiners. They always say, lawrence Lapard, you cannot taper a Ponzi scheme. Why? Because when people want their money back, it causes the house of cards to collapse.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
What if I told you that the industrial military complex figured out how to taper a Ponzi scheme?
With a gut, you're slowly going to take people out who complied so you don't have to pay them back, bro.
And guess what? Why does it make sense? What do you know about us tax law? When people die that have a lot of money in a Roth or an IRA, don't they have to pay estate tax? 55%.
So who's getting the gravy? The government's getting that money back, bro.
So guess what? Do you understand now? Why we started this podcast with Susan and the turbo cancer, and yet I took you back 50 years and showed it to you in Jack Rubenstein.
And what's happening now that Kevin McKiernan has proven? Kevin McKiernan does the test, takes unopened, expired vials and fucking tests, and finds sv 40 in a jab, 50 years after the polio massacre.
Do you understand, bro, what's really going on? Cause let me tell you something I'm teaching you right now about the dunning Kruger effect, when what you don't know turns out to be the most important part of the story. Everything you thought you knew goes.
So, my friend, that's the real reason why I went to Dallas two days ago. And spoke at Dealey Plaza and laid this whole story out on tape and told everything I know in every detail. Because if I happen to get taken out by acute blood toxicity, I want a young guy like you who's doing this podcast to make sure you go fucking fact check Uncle Jack.
But I promise you, I'm not gonna let you down.
Every single one of you out there needs to know what I'm talking about.
These are the biggest criminals in the world.
They make Adolf Hitler look like a street gangster. They've killed way more than 4 million people, and they're not done.
They're looking to completely take out of millions of people slowly, over time, all different kinds of ways.
So don't think it's over.
What did Fauci and. And the Bai dullack and the law really do? Gave them the most impressive bio weapon ever. And no one in the legal profession can sue them because they have immunity.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Got it.
Danny Jones
Right? Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Understand where we're going now, bro?
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Feeling it.
Danny Jones
I don't want to believe it. It's fucking terrifying.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, guess what.
Danny Jones
That's why you to be wrong.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But guess what? This is a guy that does podcasts to talk about conspiracies. And all of a sudden when you start to realize that all the conspiracies that you've done your homework with other guests, but when the dude comes in here and puts it all together and you sit there and you go, what did I say to you in this podcast? Like, he needs to make a clip of this. What's the difference between fact and fiction?
Fiction has to make sense. There ain't nothing about this that makes sense. But guess what?
Danny Jones
Totally right. You're totally right about that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Every single thing that I've told you, you can now fact check. Do you think that was true when this started out for me in 888-990-9192 no. When did I know I was right?
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Dude, this program ain't going away.
And I've already told you where they're being tested. Now, remember the black guy that was on death row in Clinton, Louisiana? Now it's all people with brown skin that are in Central and South America. That's what the Brain health initiative is all about. See, that's the execution part of the plan.
And then they're creating a military to bring them up to the United States now so that you're having all these crazy bastards that have been programmed now let into the United States and made citizens. Guess why not only that replacement for you, which a lot of the black folks are starting to wake up to, but they're going to be controllable replacements.
This, this plan has been in since Tavistock in 1921.
Danny Jones
That doesn't make sense.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, yes, it does.
Danny Jones
Why would you want, if you're a country, why would you want to do that to your population? The biggest thing, they call it the.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Constitution for tyranny, treason, death.
If you know about this and that constitution is in law, what is the goal of the industrial military complex? You want me to distill this down for you so it lands? They want to replace the US constitution with the UN charter.
That's what they want to do. Because then they have free reign. They then control the executive and Congress.
But what branch don't they control? You know why, uh, they went back into the plan to kill Trump? Because he put two guys that are fourth amendment experts on the Supreme Court. Do you know why you can't get a CBDC through now? Because the fucking fourth amendment blocks it. That's the real reason, bro. That's why they hate Trump.
That's the number one. It's about the only thing Trump did his first term that I'm happy about. Everything else, he, he basically is a idiot that let all these people around him. I mean, just to explain this to you, how pissed off I am about this, he put Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs as his treasury secretary right then and there. Told me you're a moron, because that's letting a barbarian in the gate. Then what does he do, Lisa, the.
Danny Jones
CIA lady who burned up all the, all the documents for.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Exactly. But think about Jeff Sessions. It took him two days to turn.
Think about Comey dude, every single person around him. So when you probably can tell, I'm not really a Trump fan, but I told you, I'm voting for him. Why?
Because Bobby is now part of the team. Bobby knows. Look, Trump wants to drain a swamp. You know what Bobby knows? He knows where the drain plug is.
That's what we need. Because let me just tell you something.
Everybody in the joint chiefs, everybody in the industrial military complex, everybody in Congress, there's people. There's people that are sitting in Congress right now that need to be for treason.
Okay? They allowed this to happen.
And we the people, let me just tell you something. When Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote in the Federalist papers, why the fucking second amendment is what the second amendment is. You got to remember, it wasn't for hunting, wasn't for school things. It was to protect us from our government.
Danny Jones
Exactly. Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And guess what, bro? We're here.
We are here. They actually used, if you want to know the story that you. I don't know how much in other podcasts you develop. Let's talk about what really happened with JFK real quick.
Danny Jones
Can we. I want to basically summarize what we were trying to talk, what you were explaining to me earlier about the value in the Sv 40 and with Roth iras. So essentially, the. What happened with the COVID mRNA vaccine was it killed and people, mainly elderly people. Right? People that were like 50, 60, 70 plus with multiple comorbidities, didn't affect kids.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's actually the front story they want you to believe. That's not true. You know who's dying now? Guys who are influencers that have big muscles and young like you, because they all complied.
That's who's getting taken out. The boomers are getting taken out, too. But Covid wasn't the real problem. It's actually the treatment of COVID which is taking you out.
Danny Jones
Right. Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And they know. How do they know who took it? Do you know who went through the marshmallow program? Sergey Brin's first wife. Do you know what she does? Epic. That's the electronic medical record of the whole system. So they know. Do you know who runs 23 andme?
Danny Jones
The CIA?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No. Sergey Brin's ex wife.
This is just so you know. The girl that.
Danny Jones
Not Nicole?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, the girl that your guy just pulled up. Susan?
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Her sister runs 23 andme. How you like that?
Danny Jones
I don't like that. That's crazy.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, guess what I'm trying to tell you. They have the data. They're the data collection. Remember I told you that these kids that run these programs, all of them, are being controlled by the industrial military complex?
Dude, this. This has been planned all the way from when General Groves left in 1947. You know what his parting gift was? Turning the OSS into the CIA.
They've been working with General Groves when he's outside the government. And do you know why he was forced outside the government? Because Eisenhower hated his guts.
And what did he do? He formed a militia outside the military, and they got powerful.
So powerful that they got all these companies in Texas, Illinois, and California to work as part of the industrial military complex. And the government kept paying them and paying them and had no idea what Gross was really doing. And if you don't think Gross is a smart guy, just remember 1942 to 1945, he takes Operation Paperclip. Allen Dulles. Sound familiar? Goes and harvests the best scientists in the world brings them to the desert and they make a fucking bomb in three years that nobody could believe.
Guess what? So if you think that they couldn't do something like this, they made the atomic bomb in three years, bro.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's how fucking talented these people are. And that's how smart they are.
And everybody who works there, these are not stupid people.
They have an army that they've trained. And that army is based in big tech.
And they are carrying out these attacks constantly on the american people.
And you guys keep drinking Starbucks coffee, watching Netflix and getting dumber by the minute because your dopamine levels are getting destroyed and you don't put it together.
But, dude, I'm laying it out for you. I mean, it's all there in front of you. It's time for you to shit or get off the pot. This is what I tell people.
Danny Jones
But, like, this is my biggest thing. I understand what you're saying. I understand that the government wants people to be controllable.
That makes sense to me.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's why kids go to school for 8 hours a day and now we irradiate them with wifi.
Danny Jones
Right, but what I don't understand is why do you want your population to be obese and basically physically useless?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Cause it makes it easier to kill them.
Danny Jones
But if you wanna maintain.
Dr. Jack Kruse
They're all owed money.
Danny Jones
If you wanna.
Dr. Jack Kruse
They're all owed money that they stole already.
You still haven't got it. That the story always comes back to money.
Danny Jones
You're talking about the IRAs?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Dude, I'm talking about everything. We're 30. Look, I don't know if you know this. Yesterday, I'm trying to remember what his name is.
I'm probably gonna. Oh, James Lavish. He's another bitcoiner. It's got a tweet out there. Yesterday, we crossed the Rubicon of $35.3 trillion. Just so you know something. Listen. This. If we were to pay back a million dollars every second, it would take 4023 years to pay back that money.
So let me ask you a question. When you see a lavish tweet like that and you think about where we are, how the fuck do you solve that problem? Dude?
Got it.
Danny Jones
No, I got it. It makes sense what you're saying. I totally get it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, I know it makes sense, dude. I'm a brain surgeon. I'm not a dumbass.
But what I'm telling you.
Danny Jones
But I am, and it makes sense to me.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, but you're not a dumbass, because I'm going to tell you why you've been nibbling at the this problem so many different ways. You're like a great white shark on this whale, and you keep biting at it. You keep bringing all these people in here, you know, the bits and pieces. What am I doing? I'm giving you the final touches on the sculpture.
So guess what? I need you to realize that you got to keep doing what you're doing. Like you now are the media. Let me explain to you why the media is gone.
The media is gone because of General Gross.
Let me tell you exactly what their plan was.
They decided to abscond. Big science.
Their plan eventually, was to use big pharma money to start do advertising on the media. So what did they do? They made them all employees. Do you know how they came up with that idea? First, they did the same thing to doctors in the 1980s. That's the reason why HMO's came up, because what do they do? They put the government between us and our patients. They did the same thing with the media, and they did it 30 years before, bro. These people. These people are brilliant, Danny. They. I'm telling you, they really are. And the thing is, all I'm doing with you guys today, coming in here straight from off the plane, so I'm putting some windex on your glass eyes. That's all I'm doing.
And I want you to understand truly what your world is all about. Because you said you got kids. I don't know. The cat behind the screen.
That's what I'm saying. And I want you guys to understand that. I don't want you to be bullshitted anymore. Like, I always tell people half truth. Always leads to a full lie. Like, all the people that you've had in here, they didn't know bits and pieces of the story. But you know why?
It was by design. The industrial military complex cannot let you know all this stuff because if you knew it, you would fucking take them out in a minute. These people are more nefarious than King George was in 1774.
Danny Jones
Right? That's what I'm afraid of.
Dr. Jack Kruse
They're making fucking Hitler look like, you know, a gangster.
I got news for you, bro. These people are bad.
Like, really bad.
And until people wake up and see this, like, I'll give you an example. Don't you think it's unprecedented that a Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan, who's probably the most liberal Democrat ever, are fucking joining with Trump?
Danny Jones
That's pretty insane.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, dude, for 18 months, I've been in their ear.
In their ear.
Why do you think I went on podcast? You. When I came in here, you said you just binged the Uberman podcast. And what did I say to you? Yeah, it was a good podcast, but Rick wanted me to do it to teach Huberman. But guess where you ben works. Stanford. That didn't go well, did it?
Danny Jones
I thought it was great.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, but Huberman cannot examine the things that I'm saying. I'm so shocked because of this podcast here.
Danny Jones
I cannot believe. Well, now I get it. But before we came in here, I couldn't believe that you haven't actually been on Huberman's podcast.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, but there's no chance that Stanford ever allow that, bro. Plus, they know that I'm talking to Cole.
I mean, when I wrote the book.
Danny Jones
I always thought Huberman was a plant anyways.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, I don't know if he's a plant. I think he's a useful idiot for science, because he's all about captured science and the way he sells science. And his friends that sell science, it's all for the benefit of the paradigm in power, and they're happy to keep collecting the money. You know, that's why you see me pound on Peter a t. And why pound on. I don't pound on Hubert anymore because I realize what he is. And, you know, he's a good friend still to Rick.
But I have to tell you, Rick is Rick. Rick's the same age as me, and. And we kind of grew up in New York together.
Danny Jones
You guys been friends since childhood?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, no, no. What? We got. We got to be friends. When I helped fix his own issues, you know, being 400 pounds and wearing sunglasses a night. But the thing that Rick is, he's a boomer, too. That is sick and tired of being lied to as well.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
You know, and he's a lot like probably you guys. He likes the conspiracy theory, but, you know, he tells you, you know, when I started giving crazy a chance, it actually really changed my life.
And he goes, now I don't think anything's crazy. He goes, I just don't have enough information to know if it's bullshit or not.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And he goes, the more I keep digging, the more I begin to realize that this is a big deal. Like when I told him this story before I sat down with Bobby Kennedy. You should have seen his face.
Danny Jones
Mm hmm. Oh, my God. I mean, this would melt. This is. You know, the information that you're letting out right now is enough to melt anybody's brain. It's insane. It's. It's like. It's literally sounds insane. And that's quite literally what the military industrial complex and organizations like DARPA have been doing since the fifties is things that are completely wacky and insane, like MkUltra and the things they were doing at the Haight Ashberry clinic with these experiments with LSD and amphetamines and with Charles Manson. I know you're familiar with Tom O'Neill. He wrote a book on this camera.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, actually, somebody actually from Twitter, after you announced that I was coming on your podcast, somebody said, I need to. To do a podcast with Tom O'Neill. He said, you guys.
Danny Jones
Oh, my God, he's amazing.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, he said, you guys would be right up each other's eye. But no, this is the crazy part of my story. I don't know these people that you have had on, but the part that ties all this together is how general Groves stole big science and how it links to everything else because it ties everything together. And what am I trying to point your audience to?
It's money. That the problem is they need that cheap money to continue to go on and on and on, and they need the government to continue to provide it. That's the reason the CBDC, look, american money's failing. And they knew it was going to fail from when Nixon did, the Nixon shock in 71, when they removed, you know, gold from the gold standard. Well, what did you hear, Danny? Just literally four or five weeks ago at bitcoin Nashville in the summer, both Bobby and Trump came in and said, we want to make bitcoin a reserve asset. This is not music to the industrial military complex ideas.
And that's why I'm trying to tell you that literally, I made the prediction two years ago on Clubhouse. That's an app where bitcoiners hang out.
Danny Jones
I remember it. Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I told a guy named American Hoddle that they would kill Trump or attempt to. And they like, no, bro, there's no way. If you remember, Gerald Ford said after the Warren commission that we're done doing that kind of deal, bro, he got his ear pierced.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And then they just try to do it again here in Florida.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
So how many times?
Like, I don't want to tell you my predictions are, you know, a prophet. But, dude, that tells you that I'm over the target.
I'm telling you something that you need to hear. I don't care if you don't believe me, but what I'm saying to you is. Understand what I'm saying. Research what I'm saying. Look at all the pieces and parts. Understand how they explain world current events right now, how we. We can have what we just saw in the debate.
Now that we know the two people on the debate, one of our sorority sisters are feeding her the information. Dude, this is exactly how it works. Who's paying for those two people's salary? Big pharma put on any fucking station.
Danny Jones
I heard that the two people that are the biggest donors to Trump and to Kamala are Peter Thiel for Trump and his vice president.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right.
Danny Jones
And Eriche Schmidt.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yep. Google.
Danny Jones
They're both close.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right?
Danny Jones
And they're both the representatives for the US and the Bilderberg summit.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. And I'm also going to tell you, not only Bilderberg starts with Tavistock in 21, then the trilateral commission through the Rockefeller years and the committee of 300. Dude, you're banging on the right drum. Do you know that? Do you know what I want to teach you before I leave here? Do you know the synonym that you need to start using for Bilderberg or the Rothschilds? It's called alloy deal money.
Pull that one up on the screen so he can see it. Alloydial money is money that has no superior meaning. There's no title. You know who that starts with? That starts with the papacy, and it starts with the royal family. In other words, nothing can be taken from them. Do you know what people have see a lloydial title?
Danny Jones
Look on that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So do you know. You know what that means? There's only one other thing that's ever showed up in your 37 years on this planet. That's a Lloyd deal. That's bitcoin. And that's why they're coming after you, bro. That's why they're coming after this money.
I'm gonna tell you right now.
It went, what do we say in bitcoin?
When you have your own stack, they can't fucking take it from you. And this is the only thing in the world that's like that right now. If you're not the pope, and if you're not part of the royal family, the builder burgs. Every single royalty is cousins with fucking King Charles right now.
Every single royalty that's existing.
Dude, this. This story, the people that back the industrial military complex are those people.
They're the real problem. But guess what? They're the ones that have propped up gates. They're the ones that have propped up the who. They're the ones that propped up the World Economic Forum. Dude, these are the more layers they put between them and us, the better it is, because guess what? What? I say to you before fact or fiction. Do you understand why? Guys like me and you, we get branded with the hat and we're the conspiracy theorists, but here's the thing that they didn't plan for. I'm a fucking neurosurgeon. I've been doing this for 30 years. I'm a really good diagnostician. So good that I haven't been sued once in my career.
I'm good at what I do. And I've held this story until right now. Why? Because it's important right now.
It's important for my kids. It's important for your kids. It's important for every single person that's out there listening to this.
I don't want to leave this planet with disinformation so that we have to go back through the dark ages again for 500 years until we take these mothers out again. The person who made the mistake. Do you know how this all started?
Queen Victoria.
Queen Victoria decided to marry into all the royal families to stop a war because she knew her family is filled with a bunch of idiots. And what did she wind up doing? She created World War one. It was a family squabble. And do you know what? You know what set them off? And how they lost their alloy deal titles?
The Bolshevik revolution.
And guess what? When they killed the czar, who's the cousin of King George at the time, in England and Kaiser Wilhelm in Germany.
Neither royal family could believe that. Do you know one of the most unprecedented, unprecedented things happening in the history of the 20th century? That day when the czar was killed.
The royal family, in case you don't know, their real name is Sax Coburn Gotha. They're German. They realized it wasn't popular to be on the wrong side of the war, given what happened with Romanov. So what did they do? They took a new name off a castle in the north of England called Windsor.
And that's how he saved his ass. And what did he have to do? He had to agree to a new part of parliament called the House of Lords, or Commonsense.
So he had to give power up to the people. He lost a loyal title.
That's how it started. But he did it to save his ass. So let me tell you something. Britain has won two world wars. And both times they lost.
The first one was the big one, where they lost a lot of their power.
What did they lose in World War one? They lost two things. They lost the sea to the US Navy. But what's the big one? The Treaty of Versailles was a huge hit to the royal family.
Because the way it was settled by the keynesian economics, it guaranteed a second war. Why did they want a second war? To get back what they really lost. They lost a Lloyd deal title and they wanted it back.
And if you don't think that I'm right about this, because you're talking to somebody who knows their history inside and out, after King George is dead, his brother takes over. You know who he is? Edward the 7th. Do you know Edward VII? How to abdicate his throne. Do you know why? Because he supported Hitler.
Hitler was part of their plan, dude.
Oh, yes.
They knew exactly what they were doing.
Trust me.
Danny Jones
Is this some of the stuff that that motor made guy was talking about?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yes, indeed. I. That dude is spot on on the money. And you know what? When he said in a recent podcast, because I have been dead silent on this topic, that Churchill was one of the biggest shit shows in the history of the 20th century, it's true. Because what he basically hides is the real story. Everybody believes the 4 million Jews, the Holocaust. That's not. What people don't know is that the people that backed the royal family killed 60 million christians in the bolshevik revolution. That is absolutely true. But guess what? It's very similar to the 1951 to 57 story where it was whitewashed from history.
And every time that we have a period in history where something gets whitewashed, that's where I hope a guy like you, Danny Jones, in the future, as you age, when I'm dead, you remember the lesson I'm trying to teach you here. When you do podcasts, go find people that really know history, Danny. You know it's hard. Well, I know. But you know that as a young man, when you were growing up, you didn't learn any history from general Groves all the way to right now. Do you understand why?
Do you understand why they put your kids now for eight to 10 hours a day? Because they are training your children. You're nothing.
I am not kidding you, dude. And what else are they doing? No more books. They're irradiating. That's Mkultra.
It's fucking everywhere you look, bro. But you know what the problem is?
Danny Jones
You know what pissed me off the other day was they started the teachers feeding. My five year old came home, he's like, you know what our teacher gave us for snack time today? I'm like, what do they give you? She's like, all week I've had rice Krispies treats. You never let me have those at home.
My wife was furious. She literally went up there and talked to the teachers the same day. It was like, there can't. I can't.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, you're gonna be more furious when you find out. That's how Gates now plans to put some of the biotechnology in foods. That's the reason he's buying up farmland.
It's also the reason he wants to block the sun, because guess what? What's the antidote to blue screen technology?
Uv and red light. Why did Biden put the final damper on incandescent bulbs? It's going to be banned completely in 2028.
Danny Jones
You say, they said it was energy.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But it wasn't energy, because they know it's the blue light. The blue light keeps the system going in perpetuity.
And none of you realize it.
None of you, because you know what? A, you're not smart enough to know the history. B, you're not a neurosurgeon. You don't know anything about the non visual photoreceptor system in man.
And here's the sad part. Most centralized doctors don't either. Like, there's so many bombs that I gave you in this podcast already that people's heads are going to explode. And I don't expect them to know this an hour or two or three. Like, you'll probably go back and listen to this ten years from now, when I'm dead, and you're gonna go, bro, this guy was telling us the truth. And I'm gonna say something, this may be hyperbolic, but this moment in your podcast, this is Paul Revere riding through Boston, and I'm telling you they're coming.
You know what I expect?
Danny Jones
What should people do about it?
Dr. Jack Kruse
I need you to put your pitchfork down and start rowing all in the same direction. We have to protect we the people.
Whatever you can do, Danny. Whatever the cat behind the screen can do, Steve. Sorry about that, Steve.
We need to come together and we need to take our country back.
These people, the barbarians, are inside the fucking gate. The Trojan horse is inside.
But it's just. I'm going to remind you about something.
You may think I'm pessimistic.
I'm not.
You know why?
A bunch of people who are misfits from the UK, who were farmers, who had pitchforks, got muskets and beat the best army in the world.
Let me tell you something, Danny. There's 360 million of us, and we still have that second Amendment.
Danny Jones
This is the problem that people don't understand. I think for the most part, is that's why I think they want to keep us divided.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct. That's what all the game with the media is.
Danny Jones
And how do we find a way to unite everybody?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Because if I think this podcast is one of those things, I think what I just did in Dallas with Nicole, I mean, look what's going on with Nicole and Bobby. You don't think that's an amazing thing that you've seen that people ideologically who really don't like each other are now like, in other words, people in New York and Virginia in 1776 said, fuck this.
They had different political aims.
They came together. So why can't we, like, I've gotten criticism, not that you've leveled it, but people on Twitter level, that's like. Jack, on your Twitter profile, you say you're a guy in exile. Yeah, you're right. But I casually point out, where's Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and James Madison? Home country?
Was it the UK? Yeah. So they fixed it from being somewhere else. Why can't I went to El Salvador and sat down with President Bukele and told him a lot of this story?
And what did he say to me? How would you fix it, Jack? I said, I put a constitutional amendment that's just like Benjamin Rush asked Thomas Jefferson to do, so that the attack vector for the US Constitution couldn't be medical tyranny. So you know what he told me to do? Write the law. I did.
So Bukele has it. Guess who else has it? Bobby Kenny. You know, else has got it. Now trump. This little neurosurgeon sitting across from you on a phone who came off a plane.
I'm that dude, bro.
Don't tell me that one of us can't do it. If not you, who?
Danny Jones
It's terrifying shit.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Not for me, bro.
Danny Jones
You know, I haven't processed it yet.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So I. I. I've been thinking and living this for 30 years, and I know it's a lot for people to hear, but it's kind of like the way the best thing I can try to educate you about this.
You're like, sitting across me and you're a new person. I just diagnosed with a glioblastoma, and I'm telling you, you got a year to live.
That's kind of the same thing I'm telling you here. The difference is, I know you're going to die when you have a GBM, but I know you got a big chance here. You won't die and you won't be an economic slave for the next seven, 8910 generations of your family if you stop being apathetic and nihilistic and get off your ass. Turn the Netflix off. Stop drinking the coffee, stop buying their products, and go take your country back.
That's all you gotta do.
There's a reason I came here, bro.
Danny Jones
How do you know all this shit and still have time to be a brain surgeon?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Um. Let me ask you a question. If, um, I'm mattered in hell that my profession was stolen, we no longer.
When I wrote my medical school application out of, I had no idea that I was stepping in to basically an army that was programmed by the industrial military complex. And when I found that out in 2005.
And you'll hear this, Danny, many, many podcasts I do, I get madder than hell when you ask me a question like that. I'm thinking about that 18 months when I realized everything now, you know, it just wasn't a story about leptin. It wasn't a story just about all the biology stuff that I teach. It was this story in the background that I knew about this. In the beginning, it was very easy for me to question them.
Like many doctors asked me, how did you fight back? You know, I just did the live Twitter exes, and I have to tell you, I haven't. I mean, you're the first person I've talked to since this. I've even discussed this with Chantelle Mary Bowden, the doctor that was sitting next to me, the ENT doctor, she said, you know, they had this plan because doctors are very compliant. You know, you have to do that for medical school and this and that. And I looked at her and I said, should I just drop this bomb right here, right now?
And I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't say the things right then and there, because here we are on Twitter. There's millions of people going to look at it.
And I said, this isn't the appropriate venue to drop this. But let me just tell you something, Danny.
Danny Jones
Well, thanks for destroying my podcast.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I'm just fucking madder than hell about this. And I think that. I think every american should be infuriated that SV 40 is in this job. And here's the crazy part for Steve behind the curtain in here. I'd like to hear your guys take home. Now that I've given you the whole story, tell me what your first visceral thought is to know that the FDA still hasn't stopped the jab today, knowing everything that we know about the aftermarket data.
Danny Jones
Well, I mean, it just what the whole COVID pandemic really taught me. And I think a lot of people is the revolving door with. Between the FDA and the pharmaceutical industries. And the FDA seems to be more just like a propaganda wing for the pharmaceutical industry.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I'm going to tell you, it's part of the program.
This is all mkUltra, dude. You're seeing it laid out.
Danny Jones
Yeah, this is.
Dr. Jack Kruse
This is now Mkultra. I have a pretty famous quote that was in my TED talk that got banned. Ideation without execution leads to deletion of every good idea. Let me just tell you something. Mkultra was a great idea that they originally stole from the Nazis, right? But they executed the Nazis, didn't.
That's the truth, bro.
And I. When I remember when I wrote that, that quote, I had General gross in mind when I wrote that quote.
Dude, he's the biggest criminal in american history, and he has bred so many criminals. Started with Jimmy Byrne. Look, even the manchurian candidate they set up, which was Harry Truman, because they got rid of the three term vice president, which was Henry Wallace.
Dude. Even when he realized he was hoodwinked, he couldn't do anything to stop it. That's how f powerful these guys are. So the only president that has been, how shall I say, above board, they took out with acute lead toxicity.
That's JFK. And my opinion, the country doesn't heal until we know the truth about what happened with him. Yeah, that's my opinion.
And I'm telling you exactly what happened and why it happened and what all the collateral effects are of that decision.
There's a reason. There's a reason I. I'm not a political guy, but I put my chips behind Bobby and Nicole.
He knows a lot of this story, but he can't talk about it either, bro. Cause you know what'll happen.
But guess what? Have you ever found it unusual that everybody knows Trump used to be a Democrat?
He was best friends with John F. Kennedy, junior. He said, when I get in, I'm gonna tell people about what happened with JFK. But he didn't.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You know why? Cause he found out just who was involved. Turns out some of his friends were involved.
Danny Jones
Trump's friends?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. In the Mossad?
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Israel.
Danny Jones
You think that Israel was involved?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No question about it, dude. Let me just say something. Israel is knee deep in this. What.
Danny Jones
What part of. Why would Israel have anything to do with JFK?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Who. Who was Meyer Lansky and Moe Dalitz with?
Dude, they wanted dirt on him. Let me ask you another question. Did you find it unusual that our boy Epstein, as soon as they broke into his apartment, what they find over the mantle. A picture of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Dude, the Mossad is about having information.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
On the states.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
What was. What was the big. What was.
I'll give you another one for your conspiracy theory, because we didn't talk about yet.
Danny Jones
Yeah. I'm just not.
Dr. Jack Kruse
How they get paid off? How'd they get paid off for JFK?
Do you know? They got paid off?
Danny Jones
How did who get paid off?
Dr. Jack Kruse
The. Israel's people.
Danny Jones
I don't think Israel was involved. I don't know. I don't. I haven't seen anything compelling.
You know anything about JFK's assassination?
Dr. Jack Kruse
I do. I know they were involved.
Okay. Those guys. Jack Ruby was a Mossad agent.
The jewish mob was involved. Everybody in the mob was involved for different reasons, but they were involved.
How'd they get paid off? Let's talk about the payoff.
Danny Jones
Speaker one. I think it's possible that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You don't want to go there, do you?
Danny Jones
No, I do, but I want to. I want to explain. I think it's possible that Israel was involved in the process. Maybe downstream, but I think top level. I've had this guy on here multiple times. His name's John Newmande. He's the guy that everybody who writes JFK books, they all write their books based on his work. He's the guy who's read the over a million declassified documents on JFK. He's been studying it his whole life. And his theory of the whole thing is that what happened in Dealey Plaza is all a distraction. He thinks that Dealey Plaza. The reason everybody talks about Dealey Plaza is because it's the exciting thing to talk about. It's where the bullet hit his head. And everything that led up to that is the important part of it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's because your boy Newman doesn't know the key pieces.
What's the key pieces? What was the payoff?
You remember back in early 1960s, we had the cuban missile crisis.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And then we had all the shit that was getting ready to come with the Jews and the Arabs about the war in 67 and all that. And Israel was really worried about themselves. And they told Kennedy, they first told Eisenhower that, we need a bomb.
Our jewish scientists gave you the bomb. We want the bomb.
Eisenhower told him to go themselves. Guess what JFK did? Same thing. In fact, do you know what JFK did right before he died? The year before he died, he actually told the jewish state, I think it was Ben Gurion that was the israeli prime minister at the time. That not only are we not going to give it to you, but we want our guys to go in and examine what you're doing.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And they were furious.
Guess what happened when LBJ came in magically he gave it to him. Some uranium went missing at a place in Pennsylvania and that is how they started their nuclear program.
Hmm.
Pull that one up, Steve.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's called, if I'm not mistaken, dominion or dimian. It's the demian incident that nobody seems to know about. But guess what? That was the payoff. And what's the collateral effect of this, my friend, that Newman probably doesn't want to go to? Turns out we happen to know.
There you go. No no no.
This would be. It's put down, put in the search.
Israel, Pennsylvania. Uranium fissionable uranium.
Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. No, to get rid of the dominion. Yeah. Uranium fission.
Go to the bottom incident. You can leave incident there. Just get rid of the other thing.
Danny Jones
Uranium incident. There you go.
Thank God for AI.
Dr. Jack Kruse
There you go. There it is.
Danny Jones
The Apollo affair 1965 incident in which the us company in Pennsylvania lost a large amount of highly enriched uranium that was suspected to be sent to Israel's nuclear weapons program.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, here we go.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, so hold on. I'm not done yet. Okay, you're gonna have to hold on for me now. I'm gonna run your podcast.
Danny Jones
This is your show.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, here's the second thing that happens. The collateral effect, I think the guy you had on told you a little bit about this. This is the Ian Carroll cat that all the Jews showed up in New York before 911 happens and they're all in the art.
Danny Jones
Israelis.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No.
Danny Jones
Oh, the art thing. Yeah, right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Do you know why? Because the Mossad trained the four Arabs to take the planes over and run them in the building.
Got it. And what was the point?
Danny Jones
I think. I don't think.
Dr. Jack Kruse
What was the point of that point? That was one point you can pull this up, is the Patriot act was walking around Washington DC from 1999 all the way to 2000 and everybody said, there's no way you can get this in. And George Bush said, hold my beer.
Thomas Drake, bro, I'm just telling you.
Danny Jones
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with you here.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, if you agree with that, then you better learn about that because that is, that was the payoff for JFK and they've been involved ever since. And guess what? That brings us to current events with Jeffrey Epstein. Now let's really make it current. Who's the new Jeffrey Epstein?
Danny Jones
P. Diddy.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Did he?
Danny Jones
Same exact prosecutor they used for his Lane Maxwell.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, guess what. But, bro, this is the same ballgame, bro, I'm just telling you, history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes awfully loud. And I'm telling you right now, everybody needs to know this story.
Every last piece of it is connected.
Danny Jones
John's big point about JFK, he thinks that the big picture of it is that General Lemmitzer and Taylor, they wanted a nuclear war. They wanted to nuke China, and they wanted to nuke Russia.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right?
Danny Jones
And they had a meeting in June of 63 or 62.
Where?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Did he ever tell you why that was the case? I'm just curious.
Danny Jones
He probably did. I'm not remembering off the top of.
Dr. Jack Kruse
My head, because both of them were proteges of groves, and that's what Grows wanted to do.
Danny Jones
Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And Groves stepped out. Who stopped Groves? Eisenhower.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Remember what Eisenhower said in 1961? Farewell speech. Mm hmm.
Danny Jones
Yep.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, are you starting to see now what Groves did? He went outside the military and still had control over the joint Chiefs of Staff all during Eisenhower and Kennedy's presidency. And you know what the interesting thing is? Who opened up China in 1971? Nixon.
Who was Nixon? The vice president of Eisenhower. Right, bro? I mean, how many. How many things do I have to keep fucking knocking down for?
Danny Jones
You're knocking them down, man. I'm not denying it. You're.
You're. You're on it. I think the JFK assassination, though, I think, like, many things, can be true at once. I think there was a lot of things going on there. One of the biggest smoking gun that Jon uncovered was there was an FBI flash stop on Oswald's file. The FBI was watching Oswald. They had a flash on his file, and a. A week before the assassination, it was removed from his file. So he basically says Oswald being on that route in Dallas was the equivalent of a flea being in a Lysol convention. There's no way you should have been there. The flash stop was removed.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, but you got to remember something. There was a reason he was there, right? He was working with the FBI agent on Magazine street. That is documented in Judith Ferry's book. See, I'm going to tell you about Newman. He doesn't know shit about Judith. Very Baker. He doesn't know anything about that. That's the reason you got to go back to him and say, bro, you. You're missing huge parts. I can tell you doesn't know shit about this Linnac. But, dude, I'm the guy that worked with that Linnac.
And I proved to you already that Bobby is the one that got the phone call when Ferry got killed. So if you don't think that story trumps anything that he thinks what he's doing, he's trying to put breadcrumbs together.
Everything I told you links perfectly.
You don't have to believe it. And I'm not trying to convince you to believe it, but I'm telling you, this was done on purpose. And the reason the FBI stepped back is because they knew that Oswald was a CIA operative. Without a doubt.
Danny Jones
Right, but he was be.
Dr. Jack Kruse
He was there to be the patsy, and Oswald knew it. If you read Judith Ferry Baker's book, she said it. She told him. He told her two months before the assassination that he knew that he was going to be a patsy. The thing he didn't know is that his friends Carlos Marcella and Jack Ruby, we're going to take him out. Ruby is a Mossad agent, right?
Danny Jones
No. Yeah, I agree with you.
And John agrees with all of that stuff. He just believes that. And look, he like everything that you're saying about Oswald being there, being a patsy, and Ruby working, he would probably agree with you on all of that stuff. His only point is that everyone wants to say the CIA killed Kennedy. His point is the CIA was the COVID up. The military killed Kennedy. It was a military coup is his point.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, but I think this is semantics. And where Parsons.
Danny Jones
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You have to realize that General Groves was the military, and he is the deep state. It's where it began to. Right, and that's what I'm saying. See, the problem is, and I guess maybe the difference, him being a journalist and me being a doctor, I look at it, making a diagnosis. To make a diagnosis, you got to go back to the root cause. I'm taking you back to the root cause. That's the difference between me and them. And I have to tell you, it turns out that this part is the biggest missing story in the JFK story. And the truth be told, if you talk to the people in the Garrison family, if they'll ever talk, I doubt they will.
I can tell you that they physically told me that her dad wanted to put Ochsner up on trial.
He didn't want to go after Clay Shaw.
Dude, do you realize he puts Alton Ochner on trial?
Everything f blows up like the Warren commission never happens. And just remember the people that are on the Warren commission.
Like, I'll give you another example why I don't trust any of the journalists. And this will probably get me in a little bit of trouble with the JFK thing, but you know the guy who's.
Danny Jones
You're not getting any more trouble than you already got.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You know the guy that's been. He's now doing stuff with Paramount and talking about the mob and this thing. I think his name is Tom Main.
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah. I've heard of this guy Tom.
Dr. Jack Kruse
He's doing the stuff with all, like, Mayor Thomas Mayer. You got it. So, do you know what award that he won in the past? The John McCloy Award. Do you know that John McCloy sat on the Warren commission?
Do you know that? If you go listen to things that he says, he tries to listen to him really carefully.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
He tries to skate around a lot of stuff that you and I are talking about.
Danny Jones
Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Dude, he's. He's who the church commission warned us about. Do you want to know how many people in this industry that you're talking about, that they're fucking scammers, that they're working for the other team?
How about 99% of them, right?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro. Just remember, what's my day job? Am I making any money off the JFK thing?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I'm a doctor.
Danny Jones
Yeah. You know.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You understand what I'm saying?
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's what I need you to understand.
Danny Jones
No, I get it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Incentives dictate outcomes. These guys have made an industry out of this guy's death.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
What am I telling you? This is about the Republic, bro.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's a totally different ballgame. And what am I asking you to do?
Use your head.
Danny Jones
Jack. This is fascinating, but I have, like, all this stuff I want to learn from you about health and about science and medicine, too. So can we transition a little bit and talk some more about, like, your background in brain surgery?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Sure.
Danny Jones
And what you do. I want to learn more about, like, the protocols that you use to live your life and to subvert this, like, blue light attack that is happening to everybody.
I want to open it.
My first question is, how did you meet Rick Rubin?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Through helping him out, I think. It was a dinner that we had with a guy who was a vegetarian named David Avocado Wolf. You ever hear that guy? He's like a whackadoodle.
Danny Jones
Is he.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Is he a vegan?
Danny Jones
Was he a vegan?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, he's vegan.
Danny Jones
Okay. Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And Rick was a vegan. And Rick was transitioning from that lifestyle to the new one, with him being a mitochondria. And Rick began to realize that it was more about light, not about food. And he. This is the thing that you're going to learn about Rick. He's a good guy. He tries to, like, help his friends that are going to the car crash. And Jack is totally different. I tried to tell Rick, as a doctor, you can't help him. No, you can't. You. They have to be willing to help themselves. And if they're not, you just got to let them go through the car crash and then, and hopefully wounds create their wisdom. That's what I teach my tribe, but that's kind of where it went down. And then the other person that we kind of linked together, he was already following my stuff for a while. But you remember the dude that wrote the game? He was the lead editor of Rolling Slow magazine, Neal Strauss.
Danny Jones
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Neil has a thing on the side that he does for millionaires. So these are all high net worth guys. And he tries to teach them things to improve their life, which is. It's pretty cool.
Rick told Neil to invite me out to one of those, and I did that, I don't know, maybe ten years ago.
And they wanted me to talk about certain parts of what I did. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, I talked about the iclock at that time, which is the super cosmetic nucleus, because basically my science, decentralized science, the quantum biology, comes down to three things we talked about in the beginning, light, water, magnetism. So if you distill what I do, you have to optimize those three arms. If you optimize those three arms, you can stay away from centralized medicine, you can stay away from big pharma, you can live a good life and not have to worry about being tethered to that sausage maker.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's really why the TED talk was banned.
They didn't want that message out. They wanted you on Ozempic.
Danny Jones
Right. You had a story of a lady who came to you in one of your clinics and you had no idea why she came to you. But she.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I know. This is the thing we talked about in Rick's podcast.
Danny Jones
Yes, yes, the lady. The lady who wanted french fries.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, yeah.
Danny Jones
Well, there was another lady, too. I want to hear both these stories.
Dr. Jack Kruse
There's a couple of them, but the one you're talking about specifically, this is before I had my come to Jesus moment, meaning the whole quantum biology thing.
It was very unusual.
A lady tried to get into my office. The girls in my office kind of cock blocked her because they thought she was batshit crazy.
And she said, look, I don't have a neurosurgical problem, but doctor Cruz was involved in my care in a very weird way.
And she told the girl at the front desk that she had a heart transplant because she had, I think it was myocarditis, but from a virus, and she got a heart. And I was the neurosurgeon that got the family to donate this kid's heart.
And she figured that out somehow through the paperwork that the hospital gave her.
It turned out she was right. And when I heard the story, immediately I knew what she was talking about. And I had to go back and look at my files to see the details around the kid. But the thing that I remembered is the kid was at a McDonald's drive thru, and a car came and t boned him, and he just got his, like, happy meal. And the thing that they mentioned in the EMT report is that the kid had french fries all over his front seat. And I remember his mom telling me, she goes, oh, if he never went to McDonald's, but he always loved their french fries.
That was what stuck in my head. So I actually had to go back and pull the kids chart to find out. And it turned out I was the neurosurgeon that pronounced him brain dead.
So that's when I called up, you know, the organ procurement agency and got the family to donate. I'm a little bit different than most neurosurgeons. A lot of neurosurgeons turn it over to the hospital and let them do it. I think it's much better if the neurosurgeon talks to the family that way, because we can ask answer questions way better than they can.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And neurosurgeons are pretty good about subtracting the emotion out when something like this happens. Like, Danny, it's hard to say this to someone across the table, but neurosurgeons deal with death and destruction more than any other doctor in any other specialty. So we're really good at it.
Danny Jones
Now, I'm going to tell you more than heart surgeons.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. Not even close. Heart surgeons don't deal with death hardly at all, just the ones they kill. But the. The thing that happens with us, we catch people at all parts of life. People that have gbms, you know, at the end of their life, like 70, 80 years old. But kids that have subdurals, epidurals, you know, that are 1819 years old. I mean, the. The last case that I did, I just took a bullet out of someone's temporal lobe who I think was 22 years old.
And the thing is, when you deal with that stuff, all the time, you're the best person to talk to the family. I just. And I had an uncanny record of getting people to donate because I think this happens to be a skill set, that I have a really good skill set.
And part of me, it bothers me because I know that these people are going to be tethered to big pharma, but at the same time, the most valuable asset that we can give in decentralized medicine is the gift of time. And I have to tell you, I think the reason I feel passionate about this, if you know the other parts of my story, when I talk about bitcoin, I tell people bitcoin is a time machine. But I'm going to tell you that your mitochondria in you is also a time machine. And when you do an organ transplant, you're effectively giving someone a time machine.
And to me, that's the reason why early in my career, the people that taught me, that's why I go all in.
It's probably.
It's hard to talk about when other people are going through tragedy.
You realize that you can give the gift of time to somebody else who it's running out of.
There's no surgery that I can do that can do that, that can give that back.
And the crazy part, I'm not even doing surgery. So I have never told anybody. I have a famous term where I say it's brain surgery without a scalpel.
This is the exact idea that I came up with, why I decided to be good at this, because I knew that I could give people back time if I was really good at doing that. And the reason I sat down and talked to that lady is because I knew how important it was to her.
And then I thought about the family, and I thought about the kid, and that that mother, I'll never forget her.
It was heart wrenching for her.
And I told her that her son would still be alive, just in a different format.
And I remember it like it was yesterday.
But when that lady walked in and it was like, reality hit me in the face, I was telling the mom that, and it turned out I got the lesson.
And I think it happened before I went through my own come to Jesus moment, because this was preconditioning me to realize that I had to go on this journey.
And when you realize that a lot of things that you're doing to people isn't the right thing, and this is the right thing, that's when you have to go all in. And I said a couple things to you when we're talking about the JFK thing, that incentives dictate outcomes. That's the day that incentive stopped dictating outcomes for me.
That's when things began to change for me. That's when I started doing things based on time and not based on money.
And that's why that story, you know, I don't like to think about it, because for me, there's very few cases in a neurosurgery career where, you know, that you were changed.
That was a big one.
Danny Jones
Wow, man. Especially. I can't imagine the amount of. Of death you see.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, if I told you what I've seen just in the last four years from COVID I mean, I told Chantal this. I'd go back and work a week at trauma call, and I'd see at least 13 blood clots and at least five or six turbo cancers. Like, people would have cancer that. And there was no explanation. And I can tell you I started doing some really.
I think hospital systems would say it's fucked up, but I. This goes back to this story with the kid, with the thing. I told the people. They want to know, how did this happen?
I said, well, it's pretty simple. Go send your tissue to Philip Buchholz in South Carolina and let him sample it. If you got sv 40 in it, I can tell you exactly how it happened.
So anybody listens to your podcast, they're attorneys.
Now you have, you know the answer. And how do I know that I'm accurate about that? This. This is another mind to the other story. But were now talking about medicine when I was going through the process of trying to figure out this sv 40 thing very, very early on in 1992, I became aware of a PhD researcher who is looking at the mesothelioma data, and mesothelioma is a very rare cancer. I can tell you my career, when I first started, no one ever got it. Then people started getting it, and now they blamed everything on asbestos. And I never bought that story.
So you can imagine about five or six years later, when I find out the story about JFK, the polio shot, and everything else, I'm going, could this new cancer that nobody knows about be linked to sv 40? So I go to the medical school library at LSU, and I find this cardiothoracic surgeon who's kind of famous. He. He's done more mesothelioma surgeries than anybody else because it's pretty rare to do surgery on these people.
He has 472 specimens in his office.
PhD goes and researches it. They check it all. Every single case of mesothelioma had sv 40 in it.
So Steve can pull this one up. I can tell you the article was written in the Atlantic, because I remember when I did my homework on it, I couldn't believe it when I saw it. And that's just another data point for me where you have a weird cancer and you asked a question. So the story that I told you in the beginning of this podcast, here it is again in a fractal in my medical career, I asked the question, is mesothelioma really an asbestos story, an sv 40 story? When I found out that's the case, here I am now at the end of my career. We're talking the last six months, you know, that I've been doing neurosurgery. I started telling everybody who got a turbo cancer, go send your. Tell your pathologist to send your cancer to the University of South Carolina. Why? Because Philip Buchholz has blocked me on Twitter. I'm sure at some point he's going to see some of this and he's going to realize he made a mistake.
But he was a bad hombre who became a good hombre because he validated Kevin's findings.
So now if he really wants to be a good PhD researcher, he will take these people who've been injured and tell them why they have turbo cancer.
And the surgeon who did the mesothelioma stuff, you know, he just did it because he was a cowboy, but he doesn't realize how incredibly important that one decision was in his life for a guy like me, because I couldn't sit here with you and have this discussion. That was one of the big things that happened, and I feel the same way about the people today. So, you know, when we talk about the kid with the transplant, we talk about those stories.
I will tell you, there's.
There's very few cases that bothered me, like the kid with the french fries. There's another one from my residency, believe it or not, that Chantal's involved with.
Danny Jones
Oh, really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
It'd probably be better for you, probably, to interview her about it, because it kind of teaches you a little bit about the type of guy that I am. I was a chief resident at charity hospital, and we had a little girl come in about 03:00 in the afternoon.
She got home from one of her, you know, her catholic private schools. Some guy was waiting there to her, and the guy got in, and she fought like a fucking animal. She had this guy's DNA everywhere. I mean, she fought and the way he find he didn't. He. I don't think he ever got, because she fought like a fucking wolverine.
But, uh, he took a brass lamp and smashed the side of her head. And literally her head was pushed into the opposite side. I'm talking about, like, all the skull and everything.
And of course, she comes in, and you probably don't know this, but Chantelle was my operating room nurse when I was a resident.
Danny Jones
Yeah, you mentioned that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And this girl comes up, and I call Chantelle, and I said, look open every thing we have.
Cause of course, when the EMTs came in and nurses in the emergency room, they told me the story of this little girl, and I'm like, there's no way she's dying on my dime.
And I looked at her. The nurses actually told me, look at her fingernails. She fought, and I said, well, I'm gonna fight for her.
So the staff doctor that is on, and this is so funny because this doc was kind of involved in monkey research. So again, yeah, it's, it's actually tied to the other story. That's why I said, this is quantum entanglement.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And, um, I take the little girl up, and I'm up there. Shift change for the nurses is right around 06:00 so Chantel's going home, and I'm blasting Metallica. I just keep putting the black album on constantly, and, and I basically told everybody, just get out of my way. And the staff doctor who's there comes in the room, and he's like, jack, enough. You mean you're putting blood products into this kid? You're doing this? This is just not going to end well. I'm looking at the scan and this and that, and I look at him. Remember, I'm just the chief resident. I basically tell the staff doctor, go f yourself.
I said, you get out of my operating room, dude, I could be fired for this. I was, like, literally six months away from being done. Wow. And I told them, just get the out of my room. And, and all the nurses, like, all the other residents, I told everybody else, I said, if you have a problem with this, leave.
And guess what?
Everybody went like fire ants. Everybody went all in. What? Dude, when I tell you, I've never had a case in my career that I opened, like, 50 trays to get different instruments out.
Chantal comes back to work the next day, and I'm still operating on the little world.
Danny Jones
Oh, my God.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So guess what? The sun is coming up. Metallica is still on, and I make the decision. I take the final piece of bone out of, you know, her basal ganglion.
And I'm going now close to 20 hours straight.
Don't eat, don't drink, don't even take a break.
And Chantel comes back in, and I look at her, and she looks at me. I said, now I want you to go find me the biggest piece of lyophilized dura you can get. And this is a dural replacement because I actually had to cut this all out when I tell you.
Danny Jones
A what replacement?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, the dura, the covering of the brain. And she goes, what are you going to do with something that big? And I said, this little girl's brain is going to swell so much, it's going to look like a basketball. So she had no bone left on that side of her head. So my idea was to leave a big, huge balloon and let her swell into it. At that time, I hit her with more methylene blue than any patient I've ever done in my entire career.
The reason why is I was trying to control those swelling that also comes up in the recruited podcast.
Danny Jones
What year is this?
Dr. Jack Kruse
This is 1998.
Danny Jones
For people who are uninitiated, can you explain what methylene blue is? Methylene blue?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, let's talk about it in real terms. Real terms is I just talked about it with Nicole Shanahan and Mary Bowden that, you know, she got fired or the Texas medical board went after for ivermectin for Covid.
Remember the talk that I told you how with Becker?
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And he told me to be careful, right. So guess what? I told people to use hydrochloric and methylene blue. You know why?
Danny Jones
For Covid.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. Hydrochloric one comes from methylene blue, and methylene blue works for Covid.
And you would never know that unless you did your homework so that the medical board never, I didn't have to face what Mary did.
See, remember, when you work smarter or when you know better, you do better or your patients do better?
That was the lesson that I got from Becker.
So I hit this girl with the methylene blue and what the methylene blue does, it improves mitochondrial function so that the brain won't swell. When you have a case like this, the thing that you're really worried about is the brain will swell outside the head.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And it won't end well. I remember she's, I think she was 15 or 16 years old. You know, her mom had told me that she was getting ready to go to college and this and that. I'm going.
I'm doing everything I possibly can.
Danny Jones
Is there any way at this point, to keep someone in? Like, I know you can keep them alive, but can you keep them cognitively able to get through the day?
Dr. Jack Kruse
I think I'm telling you that story right now.
So the little girl goes through surgery. Of course I take some shit from the staff doctor, but when the staff doctor saw the post op scans, and he's like, doesn't have any bone left anywhere in her brain, you got every single fragment out. And this isn't a day before we had neural navigation. I did this, bro, by feeling with my fingers.
And when I took it all out, I finished my residency. So I don't know what she does, because, you know, after she gets through the acute phase, she goes to rehab. And then for us, she's lost to history.
I get a call when I'm in private practice in Tennessee.
Her mother calls my office and says, we'd like to send doctor Cruz a letter. Da da da. The office manager at the time is. Her name's Karen Smith. She comes in and says, jack, can we give him this? I said, yeah, I think I know who this is.
She writes me a letter. Her daughter got out of rehab. She's back to walking. She's almost back to talking. I get another letter. I think it was two years later, she's in college.
I got a letter.
I think about three years after that, she graduated.
Danny Jones
No way.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So this is that lesson that I'm trying to teach you.
It ain't over until we say it's over. I told you that story with politics. But I'm telling you, that little girl, that happened at the right time in my life.
I was an ass kicker when I was a resident. But let me just tell you something.
I learned more from that case than probably any case that I've ever done.
And when you know something, you go all in.
You don't. You don't hold back.
That's the lesson. And I got news for you. Most neurosurgeons will listen to this. Like, there's no way that I would have been allowed to do that as a chief resident. Well, I don't think anybody would have been allowed to do that either. But they let me do it because they knew. They knew a lot about me. They knew who I was. I was a fucking rebel even when I was a resident.
But I was adamant that I was not given a rock. And I will tell you, I've given up on other patients since then, but not. I didn't have the feeling that I had for this girl. I knew this girl was gonna love.
Wow.
Danny Jones
How do you. How many neurosurgeons, like, the top neurosurgeons in the world that you've talked to, how many of them are implementing the same. The same things that you're talking about, like, with methylene Blue? And I think there was a case you talked about on Rick's podcast with, where you. You doused some ladies, some lady came to you wanted brain surgery, and you said, only if I can douse your brain in hydrogen peroxide and blue.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I actually learned that when I was in residency training from, actually, Doctor Klein. I mean, I remember this is old school neurosurgery, and he would tell me, you know, all the things that he did, and of course, I didn't believe anything he said. So I went and I started reading about it. I said, well, this totally makes sense. Hydrogen peroxide is a free radical. We put it on the surface of the brain where the mitochondria are. We're creating hydrogen, oxygen and more electrons. I'm like, this makes total fucking sense. And the problem was, none of the other residents really thought it worked because they thought, he's an old school guy, and this is bullshit. And then the other thing that I started noticing when I did that it was a great way to get blood out of the subarachnoid space. A lot of neurosurgeons know it from that aspect. Like, when we do aneurysm surgery, because we know if we leave any blood in that area, it causes vasospasm, and people can develop strokes down the road. So you want to try to get as all the blood out as you can. And, you know, we have treatments that we use for that, but the treatments are not really good. We have drugs that are designed for that. The drugs really aren't good.
And when I came out of residency, probably five, six years later, the hydrogen peroxide story got changed, where I added uv light and infrared that I would put on the brain.
Danny Jones
Red light.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
And guess what happened? The brain swelling outcomes did well. Remember the story I told you that I didn't have any suits or anything else? I did high volume neurosurgery in my practice. I did a lot of cranial surgery. Surgery. All these things that I started doing were part of the reason why I didn't get sued. I remember doing spine surgery on people had open dura from me doing a lumbar fusion and putting uv light. Like, I guarantee this. People on my surgical team are going to listen to this. They're going to say we thought he was fucking crazy, but I wasn't crazy, because guess what? The science, it wasn't well known now, but now it's much better known. So I'm telling you now, 20 years after me starting to do this, like five to ten years in my practice, I've become less crazy over time.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And that's the reason why I'm telling you that you, you have to be serious about your craft.
And I think the more serious you are about your craft and you understand what you're doing, it's important. And unfortunately, I trained at a time where doctors work for the patient. Today, most neurosurgeons, they're working for a hospital system. So that means there's an oracle problem. Doctors aren't working for you, they're working for the hospital.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And you need to understand that. Patients don't understand that right now. That's one of the biggest problems in centralized medicine when it comes to the.
Danny Jones
Red light, the infrared red light. There's these panels you can buy online. There's various brands of them, and some of them have infrared light.
Is this what you're, what you're specifically talking about when you're shining this on the brain?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. In brain surgery, there's two things I want to do.
I need to have a light that covers infrared a, which is 600 to a thousand nanometer light. But the big, big switch is I have to have near infrared. Near infrared?
Danny Jones
Near infrared, yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Goes a little further because there's a photo switch that I learned about after I had my come g's moment. It's 1280 nanometer light. That photoswitch is actually important with 380 nanometer light, that's actually the big control switch between anabolic and catabolic metabolism.
And what does that effectively mean? When you use those specific frequencies of light, you can optimize metabolism. Why the patient's asleep. So if any of my anesthesiologist listens to this and they want to know why I was doing what I did, I never told anybody what I was doing because I was always afraid I'd wind up in front of the medical board.
But I was guaranteeing that people would wake up from anesthesia like this because I knew that was one of the big risks that we need to have. People recover fast. And it turns out if you understand the two photo switches for metabolism, which is 380 nanometer light, that controls the mTOr switch, 1280 light controls the free radical switch.
And that's the decision between the use of ATP and free radicals. Most people don't realize that because they don't know mitochondrial medicine well.
Nitric oxide is also a free radical, and it has an unpaired electron. Nitric oxide, when it gets into your mitochondria, actually turns ATP production off. Like most doctors who will listen to this think that we need to use ATP all the time. It turns out we're in the sun. We actually reduce the amount of ATP we make. We're actually living off the light of the sun through energizing our blood plasma, which has water in it, 93%.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So one of the key basis I told you is light water magnetism. Turns out when you're able to bury more light energy in water networks in a cell, patients do better. That's one of the key foundational principles that I'm telling you. How do I learn all that? I learned it from the story of photosynthesis. Why? Because of chlorophyll and hemoglobin. They looked exactly the same.
And you said that you listened to the Huberman podcast, and I know there was a lot of science in there, but you might remember that I told you the two most important biologic semiconductors before the KT event were hemoglobin and chlorophyll. Why? Because they have a nitrite cage around it.
Danny Jones
It.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Or remember, what's the most dominant gas in the atmosphere? Turns out it's nitrogen.
So before oxygen was available, these were the two key semiconductor proteins that we used to make electrons.
So when I realized that and I started to think about what happened from the KT event to us, I said, there's got to be other pieces and parts of the story. And what was the pieces and parts that I realized that the semiconductor proteins were giving their light that Becker found in his work to the water networks, and that would actually turn water into a quantum mechanical battery.
So this is in 2005. Now, remember, there's, none of this is published in a textbook at this time. But guess what? Everything I just told you today is now published in papers and textbooks.
That's Jack Cruz.
That's decentralized medicine.
Danny Jones
There was also a point. You guys were, you guys were having a discussion, and I think he remained corroborated this about the amount of information that's in the textbooks that you get in, that you get in your medical training, and you're having a conversation with somebody, and he was saying, Eddie Chang.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Eddie Chang, yes, the guy from USC. USF.
Danny Jones
Mm hmm. And he said maybe 50% of it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
9900. It's all bullshit.
Danny Jones
Look, I tell you hard to comprehend.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, it's not. When you understand me. Yeah, but even for you, it's not. You just heard the JFK story I gave you, so what can I tell you? Every single nutrition study, every single study that any PhD or doctor reads has no light controls. So we're making the assumption that how it really works and you don't have light controls. And I just told you how important light is. I mean, is it that hard to believe? What I said is probably true. And then here's the bigger part of the story.
Our mitochondria makes a special kind of water. It's called deuterium depleted water. You don't get any deuterium depleted water coming out of your tap at home. So, what happens if you ran all the experiments with that type of water, and it turns out that water has a high dielectric constant? What does that mean in English? Means it makes more electrons. Electrons. What's the story of life? The more electrons you have, the better you do. What do electrons do? Funny little jewish guy from Bern, Einstein. Photoelectric effect.
More electrons you have, the more light you could absorb.
It's not that hard to get, dude. When you see the magic, you go, this is really a game of net negative charge and electrons so that you can absorb more light the more light you put in the system. Okay. The brain shrinks down. So when you ask me the question, Chuck, why are you using methylene blue? Because I knew it was a path to get me more electrons.
And if I get more electrons and I'm shining light on the brain, that actually helps the brain. That makes me a better surgeon.
Danny Jones
And all the lights that you guys use during surgery, those big, bright lights, they're blue lights, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, they're xenon. And, like, I told everybody to go get a spectroscope and put it on their operating room microscope, put it on their loops, on their head, put it on the lights in the room, and then correlate that with how your patients do certain ones. And the. The funny thing I also said in that podcast, I remember I specifically changed where I did surgery into a hospital that didn't have the best equipment in the world. But you know what they had? They had a courtyard that I could bring my patients outside in the sun, and the anesthesiologist didn't with me, you know, and fight with me about doing this.
And they were stunned, and they were like, I can't believe this guy's patients just wake up, and they do great when they shouldn't. Like, the other doctors who operate on people with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, they would be in the ICU for two or three days because they had sundowning and everything else. And I would do my subdurals and bring the patient outside, and they're like, this guy's going home the next day.
That is how powerful sunlight is for our biology. But you know what the problem is? You never get to open this door in centralized medicine because they don't even know exists.
It's kind of like what I did with you about all your other conspiracy theories. I gave you the part that you were missing. It turned out that part tied up a lot of loose ends. I'm telling you, the same thing happened to me.
That's really the reason why Jack Dorsey and Rick became my patients, because they were like, they talked to me, and they saw how serious I was about my craft.
And they're like, I trust this guy.
And that's what really happens. And then when someone listens to you, and then it begins to work, and, you know, Rick's like, bro, this doesn't cost me anything.
All it costs me is time. And I have to retool my life to do different things.
And same thing with Jack, when he realized that, you know, what he was doing as a tech abuser, Washington harming him, you know, cognitively and mentally, and he changed that.
Now both of them are Zen masters. They've been doing my stuff for 15 years, you know? So I guess the story, the way it unfolds, it kind of goes to what I'm trying to tell you about medicine. Do the right thing, bro.
Like, don't. Don't do the thing that benefits you. Do the thing that you know, that's the right thing to do. Because I really believe in karma. I think. I think the universe pays us back, and.
And I think you have to be authentic in how you do it. I'm pretty authentic on social media. I'm pretty acerbic. I'm salty. I curse. I'm everything a neurosurgeon shouldn't be.
But when you sit down with me and talk to me, you'll find out I'm as smart as a mother, and I like telling dumb motherhood how stupid they are. I do it on purpose. Why?
Because my mentality is. I know what Mary Bowden said. They are all compliant. That's why they got into medical school to begin with. So I take the tact that I got to be the drill sergeant, and guess what? You see what a drill sergeant does to a bunch of retards in eight or ten weeks turns them into soldiers.
Bro, I told you I need you. Is the public to be savages? And I need the people in centralized medicine who are going to hopefully adapt and start fighting for you guys again.
Danny Jones
You are a nightmare to the high priests in their ivory towers of academia.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But I'd have it no other way. I feel like I was. I feel like I was built for this moment. This is.
I can tell you, I told Nicole this, and I've said it to Bobby and Rick.
There's a proper time for your life's work to come out. This is that time.
This is when I can make the biggest impact.
Danny Jones
Can you explain, how do we create light inside of our bodies?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's easy.
Danny Jones
And why is that important?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, it's everything. I mean, it allows you to live at high latitudes, but if you think about it, it totally makes sense. You have to know a little science. So this is a sky named Fritz Pop. He's a biophysicist. He was big in the sixties and seventies when Becker was doing his work on bone. So when Becker came out and did his seminal research, and he showed that bone has a p and n semiconductor collagen and appetite, and that the current is rectified. That told you. As a scientist, that means there's got to be a photoelectric effect happening on bone. So he brought a physicist in because he didn't know how to do it. It. I think the guy's name is Charlie Bowman. Charlie Bowman comes in and checks it and goes, look at this. When we check for the photoelectric effect both ways, with collagen and with appetite, it. It glows brown red. And when you do it the other way, it glows blue. So he figured it out right away. So what does Fritz pop do? Well, if that's true, then that means that we should have a light signature. Like for example, anytime a doctor is listening to your podcast, they're gonna say, well, I cut somebody open, I don't see any light. Well, you're not. You won't see it because it's ultra weak bio photons. You know, you'd have to have specialized equipment to see it. You need a photo multiplier. So what does Fritz pop do? In the sixties, he makes photo multipliers. He invents a machine that can do this. So what does he do? He takes leaves. He takes every single thing that's living, puts it in the photo multiplier and font, and guess what he finds out?
It creates light so when I learned about this, I'm going, okay, I know Becker's experiments, and I knew those experiments, just so you know, in 88, 89, 90, okay, we're talking a long time ago.
And then I went back and I said, okay, somebody's got to be studying this light story. And it turns out was Fritz pop. Now, there's a lot of things about Fritz pop story that he shit the bet on, but the number one thing that he proved is light is created by us.
It became incumbent upon me to figure what that out was. In those 18 months that I told you, I went from being centralized to decentralized. I spent almost $100,000 translating russian journals about scientists that were doing this work, both in Japan and Russia, and found out that mitochondrial DNA actually creates light through the process of breaking electrons and protons down from food.
And I kept reading it, and the number one thing that I remember from the papers still to this day, that you had to have oxygen and you had to have electron chain transport working for this to happen.
And I was just fascinated by this. And I said, okay, I need to delve into this more. So then I started open physics books, and I started learning more physics, and it was like one thing led to another, kind of like what you do on a podcast when you get on a story. You go, okay, now we got to go here. Now we got to go here. Now we got to go. That's exactly what I did. That's why I'm telling you, I'm a diagnostician, and I am the most curious person you'll ever have on this podcast. You put something in front of me that's a mystery. And, bro, I'm going to not stop until I figure it out.
So that's why I did with this. And then, long story short, after I figured it out and I started using different things to make light in us, to improve things, I realized immediately, as soon as I knew we made light in us, I had to look for the target of the light. And then I found the target. It was pomsy. Pomsy is where melanin is made from. Pom C is a gene that only gets translated from uv light. And then I said, okay, this makes sense. Fritz Pop found that every single living cell emits ultra weak bio photons in the uv light. So you can imagine, as soon as I heard that, I'm like, okay, Bill Gates, dermatologist and ophthalmologists are assholes because biology is making uv light. That means it's not toxic. That means it's being used for optical photonic signaling that we don't know about.
And I went further. I kept going. That's when I realized what Pomseed was all about. I had learned about it in medical school. I learned about it in even high school, but I didn't know anything about it. And then I read the monk who sold his Ferrari. I said, yeah. The dude said he went up to the top of the mountain in the cold, and he got Tanzan. And all of a sudden, everything started making sense. I was like, oh, I got this.
And, you know, all I kept doing is what I told you. Diagnostician. Go back to first principles.
And I started putting it together. Then I went back to the neurosurgery library, and I found this crazy pathway. It's called the leptin Milano cordon pathway. And I was like, this is the whole shot, you know? And I went down that rabbit hole, and I didn't stop. I kept reading everything I possibly could. Because you remember, I told you leptin was not discovered until 94. I was already out of medical school by that time.
And I learned about that, and I started putting the whole story together. And I said, you know what? Light is the biggest part of the story because we're creating light, and we absorb light, and we have all these proteins in us that are chromophore proteins. I said, God, our evolution wouldn't have done this if it wasn't important. You know, I started finding Uva detectors on our cornea and our skin. I never learned that in medical school. When I saw that, I'm like, there's a story here that hasn't been told.
And that's kind of how it all went, you know, for me, translating paper, spending money at the end of the 18 months, that's when I stood in front of my family at the time on Thanksgiving day, and I said, in one year, I'm gonna go from a fat ass to wearing my brother in law's jeans. And it happened.
Danny Jones
So is it true that near infrared light and red light can actually.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Build.
Danny Jones
New neurons in the eyes and help vision, like repair vision?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Did you talk to Chantal?
Danny Jones
No, not about this.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Wow. Her dad is the classic example.
Danny Jones
Oh, wow.
I had an ophthalmologist on here, an optometrist, and I was asking him about that, and it was one thing he didn't really know much about.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, well, most people won't because they haven't read the literature they need to read. But this happened, I think, three years ago. Chantel's dad was up in my clinic in Louisiana blowing pine needles out of the gutter. And this guy, just so you know, he's. Well, now he's 83, but at the time this happened, he was 80.
He's a marine. Falls off the roof, lands on the ground. He breaks his leg. The reason he breaks his leg, he's got a knee replacement. So if you know anything about a knee replacement, it looks like a metal plate with a keel in it. The keel when he hits a. Splits the tibby in half.
He also. I thought he may have a concussion. I thought his eyes looked kind of funny. And he's got AMD. I knew he had AMD, so I was worried that could he have popped the lens out or dislocated something. So, of course I sent him to the hospital.
So he goes to the hospital and the orthopedic surgeon tells him, look, because your leg is broken and you have a knee replacement, we're going to have to let the bone heal, and then we're going to have to redo your knee.
So he's looking at major problems. He's. Everything else in his head was okay. His eye was fine, no issues. He calls me up two weeks after the injury, and he's in a cast, and he's like, jack, you got to do something to help me. I have so much pain, and I can't. Shit. I'm taking the percocet. I said, dave, take the keys to my clinic. Go sit in front of the red light that I have for the NFL football players for the concussion.
But remember, he's a jarhead. I said, listen to what I'm telling you. Sit in front of the light, put it on 20 minutes. Do it four times a day.
You know, I'm not there. You can use it. No problems. Taught him how to turn it on, taught him how to program it. I said, but make sure you wear those glasses, the goggles when you sit in front of him. He doesn't listen to me.
So what. What happened? That's nothing.
Danny Jones
I wanted to ask you what happens?
Dr. Jack Kruse
He goes back to the orthopedic surgeon. This was the funny part. I get a picture from chantel of her dad on my zero turn lawnmower cutting my grass. Two weeks after this happens, he's like, my leg doesn't hurt anymore.
And he goes back to the orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedic surgeon takes an x ray, can't find the fracture.
Danny Jones
Oh, my God.
Dr. Jack Kruse
The fracture is healed. And here's the best part. He's walking around in the orthopedic surgeon's office.
He's like, Dave, you don't even have a limp.
He goes, I don't think we're going to have to do your knee replacement either.
So Dave's great. Six weeks later, he gets an appointment to go. The ophthalmologist.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
They look in his eyes. He's still doing the red light, even though. Because he says it makes him feel great.
Danny Jones
But he's not wearing the glasses.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, he doesn't have AMD anymore.
It's gone. This is a guy that for five years was getting the injections into his eyeball with his doctor, and the doctor looks in his eye, the ophthalmologist. Not an optometrist, an ophthalmologist, which is a surgeon. Well, right, you call him surgeon. I don't call him surgeons.
Danny Jones
But the ophthalmologist does eye surgery.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct.
But he looks at him, he goes, there's no evidence that you have macular degeneration anymore. They even do a eye test on them.
And I'm sitting there and I'm going, I. Bro, I didn't know that this was possible. So what do I do? I go back and read the literature. Sure.
There's papers out there about this issue, most of them in Japan.
Guess who's burying them? Big pharma. Wow.
Danny Jones
See my friend Dom D'Agostino, he's on this pot. He lives in Tano.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Who he is.
Danny Jones
You know Dom?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. He's a ketogenic metabolic guy.
Danny Jones
Yeah, and he got a grant from the DoD to do research on ketosis for.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I know all about it.
Danny Jones
Yeah, they were getting the oxygen toxicity seizures from the rebreathers, and he found out by putting them in ketosis that he was able to eliminate the seizures. And now he's doing it with all kinds of people that deal with epilepsy and stuff like that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
He would improve his outcome if he actually added Uva light, if he added 380 nanometer light. But you can tell him that I said that, or let him listen to the.
Danny Jones
I told him you were coming in before, and I asked him what he thought about you. He said he loved you, said he really loved your work.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But I'm going to tell you, that's. That's the missing piece for ketosis, the reason why ketosis by itself doesn't work. If you don't have a way to control the mtor switch, you're.
He'll love this when he listens to it. This answer is for him.
Tell him that. David Sabatini is. Has lost his Nobel prize because he doesn't know what I just said, but Dom could potentially steal it now if he does a study. Because, you know the lady that I just told you that you need to have on? Doctor Alexis. Jasmine?
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Just so you know, she is like.
She is like Dom. Except here's the difference. She trained at the best metabolic lab in the world. That's the Rabinowitz clinic at. I should say the Rabinowitz lab at Princeton University.
She's like a rock star. The difference between her and every other PhD. Remember I told you that Rick wanted me to go on and. And get you Berman down this road? Yeah, dude, she's down this road.
Danny Jones
Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, I'm trying to. I told Nicole. Nicole, you got to give her money to run this because she wants to run all these light biochemistry stores and fix all the problems. Like the reason Dom's got the belief he's got. It's a half truth, because nobody's ever done studies utilizing uva light irradiation on the skin and the eye while you're doing ketosis. If they did, you'd understand truly how mtor works. So, for example, Youberman's good friends with Peter Attia? Peter Attia has. Is really. He thinks the world is Sabatini, but he's not smart enough to figure out what I just told you. But guess what? Rick listened to me when he had his heart surgery. And what did I tell Rick to do? Use methylene blue and blue.
Danny Jones
The doctor said no, though.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Peter Attia said I was crazy.
Then six months later, he comes back, he goes, I don't think Jack was so crazy anymore after I looked into it. And, see, that's my beef with centralized doctors. Like, when I know something, bro, I'm not going to tell one of my friends not to do something that's going to hurt them.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And that's, you know, that's how we improve things. And I don't think we can improve those things in the United States because big pharma will block this from ever seeing the light of day. I told you, they already blocked my TED talk. Because I knew I was going to out them on the GLP one stuff that they were getting ready to do.
Danny Jones
So, just to be clear, if I'm doing red light therapy with the NiR setting on, do I have to wear the glasses or.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, I wouldn't wear them.
Danny Jones
You wouldn't wear. Because I don't wear them. I lost them, so I stopped wearing them.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I wouldn't wear them. But I'm going to tell you that everybody else to do Cya, they're going to tell you to wear them, and all the guys cover your ass. Oh, for like a malpractice suit or a business suit.
Danny Jones
Yeah. Well, when you buy it, it has a big warning on it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. The warning is always there because you're protecting the manufacturer. But I would tell you, when you realize that, you know, infrared a and near infrared light are in sunlight, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's probably okay. The difference is you have to realize that those lights are not equivalent to the sun. Those lights all flicker and they all have a polarization effect. Any light that comes from there are polarized. Sunlight is unpolarized, also has no flicker effect.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So fake light is never equivalent to sunlight. So people always ask me, Jack, how come you don't have affiliate codes and get paid for red light? Since you talk about all the time now, you know the answer. Why? Because the real answer is the affiliate code I want is from nature.
Danny Jones
I love that about you.
I think that's so metal.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Oh, I mean, it's the way I roll, bro.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's like I want people. I always say this.
Why am I gonna say it is.
Danny Jones
Brought to you by?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right. It drives me crazy. But why settle for a b c or a d when you got an a available? Like, and I know there's gonna be some people out there, like, who listen to this podcast say, but, jack, you used the red light in surgery. Because then I don't have a choice, right? They're not gonna let me operate outside, right? I wish they would.
Danny Jones
Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
Danny Jones
You do brain surgery outside?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. I'd let. I'd let another neurosurgeon operate on me if I had outside.
Danny Jones
Are you so confident in your ability to operate on the brain?
If it came to it, if you had to operate on my brain right now, in this room, with all the tools we have available, we have some. Some rigid Home depot tools, and we have a skill saw. Would you.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Not a problem.
Danny Jones
You would be able to operate on my brain in here right now?
Dr. Jack Kruse
I would tell you, get Chantal on the phone now and ask her. I famously said, if you trained in charity hospital, I could go down to the cafeteria with a knife and a fork and do a craniotomy. Do you know what doctor Klein used to do?
Danny Jones
The craniotomy.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's when we take the skull off and do surgery. Let me tell you, one of the things that he used to do to us in our middle of our residency. You know that New Orleans has a lot of hurricanes, so we lose power.
He would walk into a room while we're doing a brain tumor or an epidural and say, okay, we just lost power. He turned the lights off, take all of our power drills away and say, what are you going to do?
So, dude, you ever see the stories of. From the civil war, how we used to cut legs off with a giggly saw?
Danny Jones
What's a giggly saw?
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's a saw that has two handles and a blade that wobbles like this.
Danny Jones
Okay.
Dr. Jack Kruse
The only place you see it now is in butchers. And there's no butchers around, so you can't see it. But that's how they used to lop off legs. Doctor Klein taught us how to do a craniotomy with a giggly saw in case there was ever a power.
Danny Jones
Dude, does that happen? You could lose power in the middle of brain surgery.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I actually can tell you of a case. Oh, that, yeah. There you go.
See? There you go.
Danny Jones
Jesus.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That. That is an amazing machine. And let me tell you something.
Danny Jones
When you have just listening and not watching the visuals, this is like two metal handles with. It looks like barbed wire between them.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's exactly, basically what it is.
But it's. It's amazing. And when you know how to do it, like, this is the thing that we're losing in medicine. Like, you know how people are talking about AI and they're talking about all these adjunctive things?
This is the kind of shit you're not going to have neurosurgeons in the future know how to do this.
And the problem is, that's what my concern about AI is in medicine, that if we make things so easy that a monkey could do it, then what happens when you're faced with something, when you have to be on the front and think about it to help the patient? Are you doing the best for the patient?
My opinion is no. I think the way we're training residents now, totally different then. You know, these are things that I talked to Bukele about that I think we need to change in El Salvador. And I don't really care what people think in America, because people in America have bought the hook, line and sinker from the big tech guys, from big pharma and also the medical implant industry. Those guys are probably one of the worst gouges in medicine. You know, they got us all believing, putting screws and rods and everything is a good idea. If you go open up Becker's book and realize that that destroys the photoelectric ability of bone. Why the are we doing this? I'll tell you why.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Johnny Manziel. Incentives dictate outcomes. And, you know, the problem is that's. I know that's not something that my specialty board's gonna like me saying publicly, but it's the truth.
My mouth's not a bakery.
Danny Jones
There is sort of a little bit change of subject, but there is a huge interest out there right now in the world and online with people like, you know, there's this huge category of people on the Internet right now who are like Huberman or like Peter Attia that talk about medicine and ways to optimize the body. A lot of young people pay attention to it. And people are obsessed with upping their testosterone and doing things not only naturally, but like, more. And I see it every day. Lots of kids in their twenties, thirties that are going to testosterone injections.
It seems like it's like the ultimate answer, the fountain of youth to everything.
Dr. Jack Kruse
They all have pregnant steel syndrome.
Danny Jones
They have what?
Dr. Jack Kruse
They all have pregnant steel syndrome from their screens. This is the basis of mkultras work. It's what happens.
Oh, yes, my friend.
It destroys your sex steroid hormones by design. And you know how we can make a prediction that somebody is what destroys your sex? The blue light.
Danny Jones
The blue light, right? Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Blue light screens, non IDVMF, RF, microwaves, take it all away.
Danny Jones
But what do you make about the. The sort of obsession right now with young people and this testosterone therapy?
Dr. Jack Kruse
You're not listening to me. They're obsessed with tech, therefore, that's why they're obsessed with that.
Danny Jones
Okay, I see.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Fix the tech addiction, then you fix that problem. But guess what happens when you take something your body naturally makes.
Danny Jones
Mm hmm.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You uncouple the system. You're setting yourself up for problems down the road. So, for example, let's use Rogan as an example, because this is a good one. So Rogan uses it. Gets jacked. He's in a podcast studio all the time, right? He's a UFC stuff. He's doing stuff at night. So he jacks it up. I guarantee you that. What he's not telling you, he's having to donate blood sometimes. He probably has something called polycythemia.
Danny Jones
What's that?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's when you have too much red blood cell mass and you always have to check it out.
Danny Jones
That thickens your blood.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct. You get clots. You think that's a good idea? As you get older?
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, guess what? And then here's the.
Danny Jones
Bobby Kennedy said that he's on it, too.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. Well, Bobby, 70 years old, that's a little different story. But here's the other problem.
When you're constantly in front of the blue light, this problem is going to be a huge issue. So what's the best way for you to deal with it? Add back the light you're missing. Subtract the light. That's a problem.
I'm not saying that you still can't take it, but what, you don't realize the magnitude of the problem. Like, when somebody tells me that they're on testosterone since their twenties, bro, that tells me their system is completely.
How does it affect the brain for men? It improves your cognition.
Danny Jones
It improves your cognition.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Absolutely.
That's the reason why people are very interested in it. Like most guys are interested in it.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But I think.
I think you'll be in a very interesting situation, because when you bring people in here, you should ask every single guy that comes in here if they're taking testosterone or not. And then when you do the podcast with them, what's your gut feeling about, is this person able to think? Can they put things together? Like, I'm going to tell you something in the world that Rogan's in. These guys use the facade as their story. I'm going to tell you, we don't bury our mitochondria in our facade. We buried here and here.
These are the two things that also kill us.
Danny Jones
Pointing to your brain and your heart.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct. Those are the two things that kill us, too, more than anything else, yeah, absolutely. So you'll be very shocked to know many of these guys that use testosterone, they don't live as long as they should. Me think about all the NFL players. They die early.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You know, all the guys in wrestling, they die early. They all look jacked. Right.
But it turns out if you go to the super centenarians that are in Albert Einstein, taken care of by near bars a lot, you'll find out there are little, short jewish guys that have belly fat.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And they're. They're. Their leptin levels are up. But guess what? People forget this key point. Danny, you said you're a dad when that baby came out of your wife's vagina. It couldn't talk.
All right. That's even worse. What you meant. Yeah, it's terrible.
Absolutely terrible. Forget that's another podcast.
Danny Jones
She has no choice. She's so little that she would have, like, I think. I don't think she would have survived.
Dr. Jack Kruse
There's so much we could talk about.
Danny Jones
Okay. We'll save it for dinner.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Her placenta determines that. And believe it or not, the cabin system, you know, weed that's in you. That's actually what makes the decision whether the baby fits out or not. That's a story for another day.
But here's the cool part.
Danny Jones
Questions? Jesus Christ. Okay, go ahead, Evan.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Here's the cool part of the story.
The baby is a ball of fat.
But what does society tell us? That subcutaneous fat is a real problem. What does the baby do with that fat? It unwinds the fat and forms a brain. The brain doesn't fully form until it's 28 years old. Remember, you don't myelinate your frontal lobes until you're 28.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's why you can't rent a car or rent a hotel room till you're 25. Did you know that?
Danny Jones
Yeah. I didn't know that, but I didn't know that was why.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's the reason why. Because you're too crazy. So the point I'm trying to make to you, huh? Think about the obesity crisis. Now, the way Rogan doesn't think about it, why do we have this? We have people getting fatter and fatter because things like we talked about before, about the GLP one, drugs and big pharma. But when you put subcutaneous fat in, what are you doing? You're actually protecting the mass of your brain.
And what do we know about children? They're more susceptible to non native EMF. Why? Because they don't have as much myelin. The more myelin you have, the better able you're to protect yourself. So guess what is myelin again? Myelin is the COVID of the brain. Cover of the brain, meaning the nerves that insulation. Like, if we're talking about wires, it's the black plastic on the outside.
Danny Jones
Got it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's the thing that gets destroyed in MS, gets destroyed.
So when you put this all together, you start to go. So this is a protection system of the little baby when it's being formed. So when the baby comes out, maybe we should start thinking about obesity a little bit different. Is the obesity crisis telling us something about Mkultra?
Yep.
That's why it's happening.
There's an impetus in the environment that's causing us to put subcutaneous fat because we're constantly around the wrong fucking light.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And guess what happens? The placenta in humans. That's exactly what the mother does. If you think about your wife, when she was pregnant with your baby, remember the first 19 weeks, she only had a little pooch, but she had a flat belly for most of it. All the organ systems are being built in that time, but the baby has no sub q fat. Do you know when the baby gets all the subcut? The last trimester. Do you know what controls that?
Leptin in the placenta. Sends only blue light to the baby. Subtracts out uv and red. You know those bio photons we talked about? It's fattening the baby up so that it can heal its brain after it comes out of the vagina. Because guess what? If it had a fully formed brain, it wouldn't fit out the vagina.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Got it.
So when you begin to see that nature actually does have some insight about why everybody's getting fat now, it's because everybody's being tech abused by the industrial military complex. That's why they canceled Becker.
Danny Jones
Right, but how much of the obesity epidemic, like, what percent would you give it?
Dr. Jack Kruse
90%? 10% for food? Like, you're going to have Cali means in here, probably down the road. He's going to tell you exactly the opposite. Callie means doesn't know shit about Becker or anything else.
I just sat down with. With Nicole and Mary Bowden, and we had a discussion at dinner. I'm not going to disclose what he said. Look, I have a huge problem with, you know, his sister who went to. To Stanford medical school and didn't finish her residency? That tells me something's up there. And they want to pound big food. I'm all about pounding big food. Cause I think they're full of shit, too. Yeah, but, bro, blaming them is a front for the industrial military complex, right? The real problem is tech abuse. And let me tell you what I said in Rick's podcast. I said it in multiple podcasts.
Every time we have 10% increase in tech spending in the United States, the NhANes data for obesity goes up 10%.
Explain.
Danny Jones
Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse
You want to hear something else?
Nina Tickholtz, who's cut from the same cloth as Dom D'Agostino. She's a PhD researcher. She wrote a really good book. She posted something on Twitter last week about 1980, the food pyramid and all that. And I said, isn't this convenient that you use 1980 because it suits your goal? I said, look at my chart. And my chart went with the Annhanes data all the way back to 1893 when we electrified the surface of the earth. And you know what you'll notice?
I'm right. The food thing is a little bump, I'm telling you, plays a role, but it ain't a big role.
Danny Jones
Right. Well, there's also the phenomenon. I had another guy in here telling me there, he did this study on the world's blue zones, the places.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Dan Butner.
Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah, he. Total bullshit, really, where people live the longest. One of them is like, Costa Rica. No, Sara Costa Rica, where it's a.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That is true, because the sun is there. But guess what? Most of the places, like, for example, one of the blue zones, supposed to be the area around Loma Linda, where all the 7th day Adventists are, and they eat Kellogg's cereals all day. Total bullshit. Go talk to anybody. He also talked about Okinawa, right? Okinawa, blue zone. It's all manufactured. Dan Butner is another guy that I will tell you my opinion. He's also part of the problem.
It was very interesting when he came out. So, of course, you know, guy like me, based on our time here together in the podcast, you know that I fact checked that none of it's true.
Danny Jones
Interesting.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's why I said, you have to look who packs your parachute. Danny is so incredibly important in this. Why? Because remember what's at stake, you know, hopefully you get a little flavor from Uncle Jack. Now, I. I value your time more than you value your time, the way I talk about it. I'm telling you, I want you to focus in on what's going to give you the most time back. I don't want you to focus in on the shit that they can make money off of. That's the reason why these guys sell supplements. They sell this, they sell that. No, functional medicine doctors are doing the same thing centralized medical doctors doing. They're using pharmaceutical drugs through the prescription pad. The functional medicine guys are selling you powders and all kinds of bullshit.
Danny Jones
So what's the best way to carry your heart and your brain, in your opinion, what's the best protocol that you live, other than eliminating the screen?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Sunrise every day.
Danny Jones
Watch the sunrise.
Dr. Jack Kruse
80% Pareto's principle. You do that, it's incredibly important because it sets the circadian clock in your eye.
Second most important thing, I think, is make sure you eat a diet that's based on the circadian biology. So, for example, here in Tampa, if it grows in Tampa, you eat it. If it doesn't grow in Tampa, you don't eat it.
Danny Jones
That's hard, because anywhere you go, even if you bite and like, we're surrounded by the ocean, right? And you buy fish and they fish are grown on farms like salmon. All the salmon that come, that you get in any kind of restaurant.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But you understand why it's in farms around here. Because all the runoff from the pesticides, which is one of the points that Bobby makes. He's right about that, you know? So you have to realize how these things fit together. But I'm still going to tell you, eating farmed fish is actually still better than eating probably grass fed meat from Iowa. And the reason why is the DHA content is higher in fish.
Exponentially so. And the reason I say that as a neurosurgeon, you have more DHA, which acts as a semiconductor in that central retinal pathway than any other part of your brain. Why? Because the clock in your eye has to run faster than the rest of the clocks in your body. Why? Whose rule is that? Not Jack Cruise's rule, Einstein. That's a consequence of general and special relativity. So how do you know this works? So you get it? This cell phone, all right, has gps on it, you know, that allows you to get everywhere, right? The. The Garmin satellite that controls this phone is 80,000 km above the surface. It runs 38 microseconds because faster than the clocks on the ground.
Danny Jones
Time travel, that's it, bro.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So guess what? The clock that controls everything in you, the master clock, which is at the top of your body, runs faster than every other else. The only way you can do that, you have to have a higher current in it. And we use a semiconductor current to do it. It.
Wow. Science, bro.
Decentralized science.
Danny Jones
You talk a lot about cold and how cold can help create light inside the body. Do you put any. Any weight or credibility into like, these cold plunges? People are doing this cold water therapy.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I have no problem with it. But you gotta remember, I wrote my cold thermogenesis protocol before anybody did it. That includes Wim HOF 2005.
Danny Jones
And you know, problem with. When you said you had a little.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Problem with Wim Hof, his breathing technique is total bullshit.
I mean, and that's what he's claimed to fame is. I have never really called him out on it because my belief is whims. A good guy.
I do think he's a good guy. If he's bringing people to cold, I'm okay with it. But I have different people who get the breathing thing, right. Like Erwan LeCorre. He's spectacular on the breathing technique. So if you use Erwan's breathing technique and you use Wims protocol, great. My protocol is very simple. It's been on my website from the beginning, just realized cool sculpting when centralized plastic surgery got on the cold game. Their patent, their first patent is in 2008. I wrote mine in 2005, and I put it on the Internet for free.
Danny Jones
Mm hmm.
Dr. Jack Kruse
So you have the choice. How did I figure out the cold story?
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Every mammal has the mammalian dive reflex.
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's actually how it works.
Danny Jones
Can you explain that for people who don't know?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. When a baby comes out of its mother, we were designed to be born in water. So the best way to think about it is the Nirvana album cover, you know, that has come as you are on it. You see the baby swimming in there. The baby will not take a breath in while the cold water is around it. Then when it comes to the surface, because of its fat, it floats.
That's when it takes its first breath.
Um, cold is built into every single mammal, and it goes back to when the age of mammal started, you know, which I talked about in the Uberman podcast. But it's present in us. We are the one mammal that doesn't really use it like we should. Why? Because what are the two metrics that circadian biology works on? Light and dark and temperature. People always forget the temperature part, right? And that's where cold plays a role. And it turns out we have a metabolic switch, our eye called endothelial nitric oxide synthetase. Remember we talked about nitric oxide earlier, the crazy part of the nitric oxide story. Everybody knows that when you make it from Uva light or infrared light, it can help with blood pressure. But you know what? Nobody else tells you? Dropping the bomb here. Now, for the people who haven't read the patreon, nitric oxide controls the stem cell depots in your body. So how do you replace bad cells? Like, you don't go to the regenerative medicine guy down the street and get an injection.
You learn to use nitric oxide. So you get in the sun. That's the best way to do it. And what do you do? That's how you actually take out the bad cells called apoptosis, cell suicide. How do you replace them? The same free radical signal does that. And what do you need to do it? You need 380 nanometer light, and you need 1280. Aren't those two lights that we talked about earlier?
Hmm.
Danny Jones
So he talks about the so Wim Hof, he talks a lot about the breathing, and then him and Huberman as well talk about the cold. And you mentioned the mammalian dive reflex. But how does freezing somebody. How does freezing your body cold like that? How could that possibly.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's easy. It's easy.
Danny Jones
Be good.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, it's really good. And I'll explain to you why. You have to know a little bit of science, but I'm using basic ideas so you get it. So if we send Steve out right now, my iPhone, and we put it on the hood of the car that drove me here and we left it in the Tampa sun, would I get a temperature warning on this?
Danny Jones
Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And then I could put that thing in the freezer would work right away, right.
Semiconductor circuits work better by cold, remember? We don't. We're. You're thinking about your f 250, that you turn the key when it's 22 degrees in Tampa. That happens once a year in December or January.
That's a different kind of current. That's a DC electric current that builds resistance up in line. That's different. Semiconductive currents work better in the cold.
Here's where the key metric is. When we are in the cold, all mammals, we turn on the sympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system activates the leptin melanocortin pathway. What happens? We take our fat in the subcu space, bring it to the mitochondria, and we create huge amounts of light. That's for its pops work.
So guess what? That allowed us, unlike the Neanderthals, to live at higher latitudes than they did. That's why we persisted and they died off. And how did we do that? The difference between humans and neanderthals is we shrunk our brain. So on a relative basis, we have 125 grams less brain tissue issue. But what does that mean?
Danny Jones
The Neanderthals?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No. Right. We have. We actually are cognitively devolved compared to them in terms of volume. But you know what that did? When we shrunk the neurons, we raised the amount of melanin and water at the same time. So guess what melanin and water do? It's the ultimate battery in humans. Why? Because what did I tell you? Anytime light hits melanin, it creates electrons, hydrogen, and oxygen, and we create more electrons from that interaction than chlorophyll does with sunlight. Chlorophyll, the first step of photosynthesis, only creates two electrons. Melanin, the minimum is four, but it can create way more because it's a wide band semiconductor. You heard me say that multiple times to Uberman. When you have a wideband semiconductor, it means that there's more possibilities for light to be created. And that's the reason why melanin got expanded from the Kt event to us. So if you remember in the podcast that we talked to him, I try to be provocative with his stupid little cephalopods that he talked about that are in his lab. And I said, bro, it's amazing to me that you can use these cephalopods. You see their brain and all the light in there. What do they do with their melon? They spit it out to protect themselves. I said, what happened in 650 million years from the cambrian explosion? When cephalopods evolved, we kept all our melanin and we put it inside our body. We don't use it anymore. In fact, we do most of that melanin is in our B and t cells. We use that as our immune system, fight off pathogens.
That's how it works. And when you cut the brain open, you don't see the light show you like you see encephalopods.
We rectify all the currents, a la Robert Becker, because the currents are doped. So we have small little atoms in there that actually change the different frequencies. That's exactly what the guys in Silicon Valley do. You know, at AMD or intel, they all have doped silicon semiconductors. We have doped carbon based semiconductors. So that's how we create different light frequencies. And the dopant that's present in bone that Becker found is copper. We have two copper atoms that are between collagen and appetite, and that allows us to have the semiconductive current, and they're only electrostatically bound. What does that mean? When you put a human up into space or your Elon musk, you're going to knock those two electrons off and you're going to get space osteoporosis. So the osteoporosis that you get in space isn't the osteoporosis that your grandmother gets down here. It's a little bit different.
So that tells you, just like Becker said, this is why he told the government they were wrong about what they believed. He said, I know what's going on. And he goes, I know why those russian astronauts died in 1971 in the Soyuz capsule, because they stayed up there too long and they all got horrible osteoporosis.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's the reason why, bro.
Yeah, that's why I said, I'm trying to.
Danny Jones
You're kind of like, blowing my. Like when you hear Elon talking about us becoming an interplanetary species, and then I listened to you talk about this stuff. It doesn't make sense to me.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It doesn't.
Danny Jones
I don't know how human beings could survive on Mars, bro.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Or they're gonna be there, but they're gonna be sick as shit and they're never coming back. It's gonna die there. Right now, I will tell you. Is it theoretically possible? Yeah, when we create an alien magnetic field that supports our life. Because that's what you're missing. And then you deliver light frequencies that we get on Earth. Remember, you're also going to have to build an artificial ionosphere, terraforming atmosphere. Correct. So, bro, how about we do that shit before we send somebody up there? But you know why? You have to remember something. This. This will be a nice tie in for what we talked about before.
Elon Musk is an engineer. Do you know who else was an engineer? General Groves? Do you know that he was a product engineer that worked for the Army Corps of Engineers?
Do you think he made mistakes?
Now, he was able to build a nuclear bomb, just like Elon Musk built SpaceX and can get rockets back and forth. I'm trying to tell you he's a talented guy, but is he got everything together? Did General Groves have it together? And what did I tell you? If you have something wrong, can you be a product engineer? Make a bomb, steal science and turn out to be worse than Hitler?
I did say that, didn't I?
So what am I trying to tell you as a young guy?
I'm trying to kill all your heroes. Like, let me explain to you. Steve Jobs, right? Hardware guy, dead before he's 60. Paul Allen, software guy from Microsoft, dead at 62.
Hal Finney, unbelievable. Guy in bitcoin, dead before 60 years. All billionaires. You think they're great? I think it's the biggest, epic field to have $9 billion and not be able to spend the time with your kids or your family, right? But guess what?
Danny Jones
I think about that all the time.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, guess what? I went to Prague, to bitcoin Prague to discuss those three guys. And you already heard how I got the story, how I value time.
I got it from that kid with the french fries, dude. I. It didn't fucking magically come into me. This is all I entanglement from my career.
What my job is. When I come to a podcast like this, I'm trying to get in there and take off my wooden shoes. They're called sabots. That's where the word sabotage comes from. And throw them into your clock ears. I want you to think better than you did before. I walked in that room and dropped my suitcases off and he said, let's go.
Before Steve said we're live, I want you to think about some of the things that we're talking about. Why?
Because I think you have a duty to me now and a duty to the public.
When you have other people come in here, you gotta start asking some good questions. You say, okay, you're allowed to say that, Mister Newman. But talk to me about what Jack just said here. How's this change?
Like, go back. That's what we do in M and M conference. M and M conference is morbidity, mortality. So we do something bad to somebody, we all get up in a room and they fucking pound us.
I want you to start doing that on podcast.
Somebody comes in here and you know that they're selling you a line of bullshit. Hit them. Don't be scared. Your audience is going to love you. Now, some people are going to be loud on your YouTube comments and tell you you're an asshole. And Jack did something to you, and he should have never done that, bro. That's okay. I'm that guy. I'd be the first one to tell you I like to be agent provocateur. But I'm going to tell you, failures create our success.
Wounds create our wisdom. We don't learn anything from success.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's the message.
Danny Jones
Man in the arena.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Correct.
And when the government's giving you circus.
Danny Jones
Maximus, run away, what can you tell by somebody? You're good at diagnosing people.
What can you tell by someone by just looking in their eyes?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, when I do an ophthalmoscopic exam, remember, the retina itself is a diencephalon. It's actually part of your brain. Most people don't know that. You know, it's actually brain surgery. And I'm actually able to examine your brain. Things that I'm looking for. I'm looking at your optic disc. I'm looking at your fovea. That's where your central vision is. But I'm very interested on what's happening right around your fovea with your ophthalmic artery. That tells me how much blue light toxicity you got. Your pupillary reflex. I use three different lights to check it. Okay. What am I looking for? I'm looking for evidence that your midbrain is involved with tech abuse. Then I'll do some other things. Like if I put the light in your eye and you sneeze, that tells me you have a problem with myelination in your olfactory cortex. In your brain.
Danny Jones
Well, when I. Yeah, when I go out in the sun, I often sneeze.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It tells me that you've got an issue. It also tells me something else. You have a problem with. Creating vasopressin from the posterior pituitary means that you got too much light on at night. So I can tell a lot. But these are all things that centralized doctors, they don't know and they don't check. And I will tell you, I didn't check any of these things until 20 years ago.
20 years ago is when I realized that there was a lot of fat on the bone that we have to teach people. And that's kind of what I do with my doctor members. I teach them that, you know, I do all these Patreon blogs all the time.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
And if you follow my Twitter handle, I mean, I blow people's minds daily with Twitter stuff, but I do it for that reason. Not trying to show people that I know more than they do. I'm trying to get people motivated that what you've been told is horseshitz, but upgrade your game.
Danny Jones
Right. There was an interesting thing you guys also brought up about. You're talking about Jackson Pollock. And when you said you're trying to heal people and fix their brains and fix people's ailments, you're often taking away certain gifts they have.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yes.
Danny Jones
And that reminds me, especially when you brought up Jackson Pollock. There was a book I read about neuroplasticity with weasel. And I forget the guy, one of the guys name was something Weasel.
To these two scientists that figured out neuroplasticity, figured out that it goes way past like conventional theory is that neuroplasticity ends in like your early teens or before that, maybe, but it goes way past that, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. And the number one thing, the point that I tried to bring to you, and to his credit, he did bring up the other doctor you're talking about, I think it's, which was one of his mentors. And this guy died. But he's really big into why we got cochlear implants. And also his original research that clued us into this was on the median nerve. And I told you, Doctor Klein, he's the world expert in peripheral neurosurgery in the world. He's now like 90 years old, probably close to death if he's not dead already. But his work actually as a young resident taught me that the dominant paradigm belief, because I was taught that the brain doesn't change.
That guy's research told me that was bullshit. The single most important thing I try to bring to Huberman is that there's no more plastic part of the neurologic system than melanin. Melanin is neuroplastic to light like that, bro. And everybody should get that. Or you heard in the same podcast when Rick said, yeah, I leave Costa Rica and I go to Malibu and I lose my tan, you know, and then I talked the reverse of that. Remember the black lady? Vitiligo?
Danny Jones
Yes. Yes.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right. We switched that around. That those are the reason I did those things, because I realized that there's things that are in us, they're way more plastic than not. And it turns out the things that are the most plastic are the things that get us better. And that was the tie in for me with Becker. Because Becker found that the source of all regeneration is the DC electric current. Takes red blood cells and turns them into the cell you need. The key is you have to have the right light to get the right current to get the right cell. And it doesn't matter what cell it is. And I've already told you the interesting thing.
We do this with red blood cells and bone. My belief is that we're using stem cells to do it with other tissues.
And if you don't create the right light, you don't get the right current, then you don't get the regeneration.
And that's what we see with people that say, have quiescence or have senescence. Those are people that they can't make any more stem cells from their body, and they get it. And that's what most of the people who have had osteoporosis for probably the last 50 or 60 years get.
Their bones are senescent because they don't have any stem cells left inside their marrow. And that's an unfortunate situation.
The reason why that's important to understand is the more that we're involved in a tech life, you're depleting stem cells, right? So that means you can't live long. So if you want to follow these longevity guys, and I think they're all fucking shysters, even the guys that are.
Danny Jones
Running the stem cell things where they're saying, take your baby and get your placenta of your baby, I'm okay with that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
But don't listen to anything else, because they don't know their ass from their elbow.
And none of them know, like, every single stem cell that's frozen should be, instead of being frozen, should also have a uv light and infrared, a light inside the freezer. But we don't have that. We don't have that. Cause you'll extend the shelf life. You know, like, we talk about preservatives in food, you know, that keep, like, you know, McDonald's hamburgers for 14 years.
They need to start thinking about doing that with stem cells. And I believe light is how we do it. And, you know, people listen to this podcast and say, that's crazy. You may not know this, but your wife, when she was born, I should say before she was born, all the eggs that she'd ever produced was in her right, within four or five weeks of her being in her mother. And she's kept all those eggs up until she has the last period.
For how long? Guess what hormone picks the eggs? Leptin. It's the leptin melanocorn pathway.
Danny Jones
Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's why I said, when you see it, and you know that Nicole's big into human fertility, especially female fertility. Well, Alexis, Jasmine, the same way. Fertility is also tied to this, which came into your testosterone story. So when the kids, the boys put their phone in their front pocket, they're irradiating all their swimmers. Not only they destroying their testosterone, but they're killing their germ cells. Remember those germ cells? Like you have all these idiots that come and do podcasts about artificial intelligence.
If you ask them, artificial intelligence has no target. You know what I tell people? You know what artificial intelligence really is? It's your kids.
Your kid is part your wife, part you. He's a fucking alien.
Danny Jones
Hmm.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And you don't think about it that way. But guess what? What are we doing to our kids? We think, okay, after four or five years, we put them in daycare, they're getting irradiated in daycare. Then we put them in school, and we're radiant there. Are we really taking care of our stem cells or our artificial intelligence when we do that? But that's what the transhumanist want you to do.
Danny Jones
Hmm.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And what did I say to you before? If you're gonna bank your eggs because you're a tech abuser, because you're infertile, maybe you need to take care of the eggs better than you. You took care of them.
We're not doing that.
Danny Jones
Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
So guess what? When we take an egg out and do IVF after it's been frozen, why does anybody think that's a good idea when you understand what I'm telling you right here?
Danny Jones
Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. I actually recently had a biological anthropomorphic anthropologist on here a couple weeks ago, and he was explaining to me that there's a there's a lot of debate about IVF, and they're saying, like, you're selecting against nature.
Dr. Jack Kruse
When you're doing that, you are. I totally agree with that. And this is the reason why I will even tell you. And this was the punch in the mouth that I had to deliver to Nicole. I said, you realize that you and Sergey, your previous life, what you did, you ruined your germ cells. That's why that baby, it's got, what it's got. Now that she's out, you got to do reverse all the things that you guys did. And, dude, this was a straight punch in the mouth turn. I was not kind about it, but when she said to me about the $100 million, I said, I didn't want it. I said, but I'll tell you what I want you to do. I said, I want you to get $5 million to Angen Kada to make the blue light computer that blocks all the blue light because your husband's trying to put him out of business and all his friends in Silicon Valley. She did that. And then I said, go talk to Francisco Gonzalez Lima in University of Texas. She gave him $20 million to study red light and autism.
When she did that, she proved to me that she wasn't a douchebag. So what did I do then? I wrote my seminal ideas about how autism really forms, and I put it in the blog for quantum engineering 45. I gave it to Nicole before I gave it to anybody else.
Danny Jones
Is this online?
Dr. Jack Kruse
You can see on my patreon. In fact, when I sat down with Andrew Wakefield and, and Mary Bowden two days ago in Dallas.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I gave both of them a copy. I said, if you want to see where I think it comes from. And, and I think what? Andy was very interested because to his credit, he said, look, in 98, when they canceled me, he goes, but we thought the state of autism was back then. It was tied to the gut, because remember, he's a gastroenterologist. He says, I realize the science has changed a lot, and he's out of the doctoring game now because they took his career from him. Now he makes movies, but to his credit, and you tell he's a brilliant guy who's just got fucking chewed up because he didn't have Becker talk to him.
We need people like him, you know? Because guess what? His insights, the way he thinks it may have been atrophied because now he's making movies because the movies that he's making is actually telling the story. Like he just came up with a came out with a movie called protocol seven. I would suggest every parent watches it.
And we just need to teach people instead of vilifying people. Even if you don't agree with us, it's, you know, the mark of an educated mind to take something you don't fully believe or understand and examine it for yourself, then make a decision.
Danny Jones
Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse
If you. If you give crazy a shot, like a lot of my people do, and it works. All I ask you to do. What's your payment to me? Go tell somebody else.
Sit. So I need you to do.
Danny Jones
Yeah. Real quick. There's two things I want to get to before we wrap it up. We're coming up on the, like, 4 hours.
The book I was telling you I was reading about neuroplasticity, it was about those two guys who wrote that paper. I think it was in, like, the sixties, maybe.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I know who you're talking about.
Danny Jones
Yeah, you know who I'm talking about. Anyways, they did. They mentioned famous artists of the past and, like, how their.
Whatever was wrong with them or wrong with their brains affected how good they were at creating art. Pollock, obviously. You know, alcoholic and low dopamine. Low dopamine.
They made a case for Picasso, which was fascinating.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, well, remember, he was. He had a huge problem. Sex addiction.
And a lot of people don't know this, but we've talked about on the periphery, this is the stuff that hit the floor in Rick's podcast, the pedophile, the sex addictions, the homosexuality. The. The rise of this.
Danny Jones
Mmm.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Is actually because your hypothalamus gets bigger. There's now papers out there that show that people have misgendering transgendering, things like that.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Their hypothalamus is larger. If you know anything about thermodynamics, anytime a tissue loses energy, it gets bigger. So you always hear me talk about. Yeah, your ankle sun, your heart. When they all fail.
Danny Jones
Yeah. You blow up.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Right. Same thing happens with your hypothalamus. And that's where your. All your sex steroid hormones are. So there's now proof that this thing is actually tied to changes in the leptin melanocortin pathway. So we are selecting out not to have children. So what are we effectively doing with this transhumanist idea? They know this. That's the reason they're big supporters. You talked to Nicole? Nicole said something to me during dinner the other night that really. I hope she says it in. In more podcasts, but she said Sergey didn't care what happened to Echo, like, after she was born. And that is such a transhumanist idea that the target echoes their kid. Yeah, it's a baby girl.
Nicole's whole left wing, liberal personality changed because of this baby. Like, that was her punching them out, right? He still gives two fucks about this kid. But that's what the transhumanist that's involved in tech, that's really what the basis of the marshmallow experiment's all about.
They just don't get it and they never will.
And they've been bred this way and they not going to change.
And the only way they change is if they have something in their life, kind of like what happened with Nicole.
And Nicole now is doing everything different. I mean, I wish I could have had that phone call. And, you know, the funny thing is, Danny, you have an opportunity.
Chantelle listened to that phone call because I had it on speakerphone. I never put any things up to my ear.
Ask Chantelle just how brutal I was. I was brutal. And I was like, here you're asking me for help for your kid, and you're the ruining the whole planet. That's kind of how I answered her question.
I went nuts on her. And to her credit, she took it.
And I think she took it because Echo was a bigger punch.
And she's like, clearly I did something wrong here. Clearly there's something going on. And she was really motivated to find out about it. And so motivated that she left her liberal ideology, and look what she's doing now. Now she's actually telling people to vote for Trump. Literally four years ago, she was donating millions of dollars the other way. Like crazy. And, you know, everybody in the DNC thinks she's crazy. But what I'm telling you, that's actually what happened to me 20 years ago when I had my come to Jesus moment. I'm like, look, when you realize everything you believe is a lie, it's an existential crisis. Like, you have to sit down and figure this shit out. And, you know, for everybody, Danny, it's going to be different. You know, what. What brings us to the table?
Who knows? There may be some things that we said in this podcast where people listen to and go, right?
And. But that's what it's supposed to do. That's what life's about. Life is about the constant search of discovery and being curious and never thinking you have it all together. Like, I tell you, every day, I learn something.
And if I'm not learning something, then I think I'm dead, right? That's how I look at it.
Danny Jones
Have you seen this? I don't know if it's new or not, but I just saw this yesterday on YouTube. There's this skin pigment they can put on your skin to make it invisible.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
Danny Jones
How is that a new thing? And how it's like a yellow thing that makes your skin see through.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah.
Danny Jones
Can you pull up a video of it? Steve?
Dr. Jack Kruse
We use different things, like when we have burn patients, you may not know this, we use tilapia skins to do that. And believe it or not, it actually helps burn patients. But you have to realize our skin is optimized for our biology, just like fishes are optimized for theirs. Remember, they're in a different environment, they're in liquid water, and we are, you know, silly talking monkeys that live on the surface of the planet, but there is an optical density of your skin. Remember what you're saying when they use something like this?
Danny Jones
Yeah. Look at that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah. When they use something like this, what are they trying to do? They're actually trying to get you usually past an acute trauma until you come back. Like, you'll be shocked because I've been talking about bad shit about blue light all the time. Do you know what one time Uncle Jack loves blue light is? When you have a burn victim, you put blue light on a burn victim, you know what it does? It stimulates the skin to grow faster, which is the reason why blue light causes skin cancer, because that's the truth. But believe it or not, when someone has a burn using blue light, unopposed, blue light actually causes the burn to heal faster because you're stimulating repair. One of the things that I've talked to several burn trauma surgeons about that I believe when they do use the blue light, they need to add the 380 light for the reason I told you before, because nitric oxide talks to the stem cells in the skin to re even redo it faster. And one of the things that people who don't use the uv light have noticed, the skin that comes back after you use the blue light always has less pigment in it. And I think the reason for that is because the way nature wants this done, it needs not only the nitric oxide stimulus, but it also needs the uv stimulus to turn pomsy on. Why? Because pomsy has to migrate into the new skin as its growing.
Because thats exactly what happens when youre forming in your mother. You know, as the neural axis grows, you have neural crest cells migrating through their tracks to get where they need to be. We dont have melanin every single spot in our body. We have it in key spots, like when you see somebody has dopamine problems with Parkinson's, we know it's a substantia nigra, but there's parts of your body you don't really have a lot of melanin. And some people are surprised to find out, like over our calf muscle and over our rectus abdominis, which is our six pack muscle, we have more pomsy in that skin than anywhere else. And think about why that makes sense. Because in humans, compared to gorillas or monkeys, we shrunk our gut 30ft, right? That's why it's there. And we walk upright. That's why we have it in our achilles tendon, because it changed those things. Which is what I said in the room. Yeah, it was just what I said in the.
Danny Jones
That's wild.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, I said that though, in the Ruben podcast, like these are the collateral effects of light school during that time.
Danny Jones
I don't remember that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, no, I said it very casually, because people have always assumed in the, in the anthropology world that we're going to find a missing link. And if you understand what I said in the Uberman podcast, you're not. Because what's the difference between us and them is Pomsey, it's Melanin.
There is no transitional ape.
Danny Jones
What do you think we're going to look like in 100,000 years if we survive? If there's no cataclysm that wipes out humanity? Do you think we're going to look like these little gray aliens that people talk about?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Fat bastard. Fat.
Danny Jones
You don't think we're going to get.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No. You know that, that movie, oh, fab.
Danny Jones
From Austin Powers, you think we're gonna like that in a hundred thousand years?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Yeah, because I mean, think about what's happening. I already told you that we're tech abusers, so we're gonna get bigger.
I also think what will happen is, well, dumbed down, there'll be part of society that runs the whole system, and we're gonna use AI technology to dumb us down further.
In other words.
Danny Jones
Yeah, you're gonna be able to think.
Dr. Jack Kruse
We don't have to think. And if you don't have to think, it's. It's not a good place to be because the world will be driven by those who can think. And to be honest with you, this is another fractal that takes us back to the first hour of the podcast. That's really what the industrial military complex wants. They want to be the wizard behind this right the curtain like Steve is, while we're all the fat bastards walking around the earth doing what they need to.
Danny Jones
You know what I also. I think there's a connection between some of these blue zone areas of the world, these underdeveloped parts of the world.
I feel. I don't know if this makes sense for longevity, but I feel more alert, more awake, more alive. I just feel better when I'm in a country, when I'm driving around, not just stopping at red lights and stop signs and just waiting for the light to tell me when to go, when I literally have to look for cars to stay alive to make sure that I'm driving in a way that's going to keep me alive versus driving in traffic. Here.
Dr. Jack Kruse
What's it think about what you just said? You just proved my point. That makes me feel good. That's the oracle effect of modern life.
And you don't realize what you're designed to do is go run on the tectonic plates and run under a tree, sit there and capture all the bio photons that come off the light through the leaves. You don't do that anymore. And then when you think about the car, you're sitting in a car, glass blocks all the uv and 40% to 60% of the red. So unless you roll the window down or open the moon roof, you're right.
So you are having an alien experience in the car.
Danny Jones
Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And that's the reason why you feel that way. What are your feelings? Controlled with melatonin and dopamine. Serotonin. These are all aromatic amino acids that absorb light. Like, everything always comes back to light. The problem is, the idiots that you listen to, they don't know that.
Danny Jones
Yeah, nobody talks about it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, dude, I've been talking 20 years.
Danny Jones
Probably more than anybody, honestly. The circadian rhythm and getting access to the sunlight, a lot of people talk about, like, the muscle is important for maintaining your glycogen and your energy stores.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And people don't even know that. In muscle, the single most important thing is actually dopamine. Dopamine controls the fiber type. The fiber type controls the glycogen stores. They don't even get that right. Dude, all these paleo meatheads, like, for example, dom Tom listens to all this stuff.
Danny Jones
He's been a bodybuilder his whole life.
Dr. Jack Kruse
I know, but you got to realize that is. That's his half truth. And the thing is, I'm going to tell him his longevity is not going to be buried when his biceps are big, he's a smart guy. Hopefully he's going to wake up down the road and say, I need to begin to optimize the mitochondria in my heart, my brain.
Danny Jones
Can you do, can you do both at once?
Dr. Jack Kruse
No, because it's a zero sum game. What I mean by that. Energy, remember, from the first lower conservation of energy can't be created, destroyed. So, because what you're doing with mitochondria, if you put it where it's not supposed to be, you're stealing from where it's supposed to be.
This is the reason why. I don't know if you remember, one of my good friends, he's dead now, but. But he's a guy like Dom, Charles Poloquin. And I always warned him when he was doing the things he's doing, I'm like, charles, I know this whole physique thing with you. And I said, I'm telling you, you're going to get taken out like your family members did, and it's going to happen before you're 60.
And, bro, he argued with me up and down and he, he did a lot of things outside, but he just didn't do enough. Spent too much time inside, too much time with tech. He died at 58 years old, heart attack.
And he looked like Michelangelo's, you know, David. So the point that I'm trying to make to you, I've tried to make it to several of my critics online recently. I did it with doctor Alexis Cowan. Jasmine, when you have a physique like that, go and find me. Anybody who's 85 years old that looks like that, you're gonna find, like, not a lot of.
Danny Jones
Right, but it does. I mean, muscle atrophies when you get older, your testosterone is lower.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Think about what you just said.
Muscle atrophies in your low. What is nature telling you?
Danny Jones
Everything atrophies. The brain atrophies. Right?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Not, not all. They're not true.
Danny Jones
No.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Einstein, when he died at 76 years old, brain was not atrophied.
That's not true. And I'm going to tell you, that's the interesting part of the story. I'm kind of glad you went down this path. I didn't think we were going to, but I'm going to tell you that you need to really understand that the body plan of mammals, you know, the whole category of mammals, when you go to the Museum of Natural History in New York, you see tons of them and they look all different and they all have different issues. You know, what determines this is the really up thing about biology, there's something called Kleber's law. Clebers law basically says the lifespan of a mouse and elephant, they still have the same number of heartbeats no matter what.
It's true. So really? Yes. What is nature telling you? There is a power law at the basis of energy production, and it's called Cleaver's law. You can look it up, okay. And there's a line. See the line right there? Doesn't matter where you are on the evolutionary path, you're always along the slope of that line.
So what does that tell you? Hey, you're in a zero sum game. And I remember when I learned about Clebers law, that's when I realized that having really big muscles when you're a human is a disadvantage. And the point that I try to make to guys like dom, gorillas and chimps, what's the difference, the real difference between us and them? They have more intestine than, they have more muscle. They don't have frontal lobes, so they've made that change. They don't live as long as us, but we do it the other way. And our longevity is 20 to 30 years greater than theirs.
So what is nature telling you?
Where you bury your mitochondrial density is the key. So you said something to me interesting about ten minutes ago, Jack. What do you see? The future.
The future is if we keep using technology that's stealing from us, it's causing electron steel that what's going to go first? Our brains and our hearts. Now, that doesn't mean the first 30 or 40 years of our life that we can't do something amazing. To be honest, you. That's what worries me about the transhumanist. I think that's really what they care about. They don't really care that Susan Wojcicki died. She's 56. She's a useful idiot now.
You know, it's. It's going to be the people, the new people that they're training.
Are they thinking like the. The Google engineers that are there now? I think they're really important to Google. But do they have a shelf life? Is there an expiration date for transhumanization? The answer is yes.
And when you become a drag, that's when they want to get rid of you. You asked me the teleologic question, the 80,000 foot question. That's the reason I think that they think the way they think. And I've discussed this with Nicole and her new boyfriend, and they actually agree with me. Why? Because they used to hang out with more of those assholes than anybody else. I don't let any of those people around me. To me, they're my mortal enemy. Like, I would. I would sit down with probably Adolf Hitler before I'd sit down with Sergey Brin.
That's the truth.
Danny Jones
Wow.
It's wild shit, man.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Hopefully, you have a little flavor, a little uncle Jack's chili.
Danny Jones
I had a nice taste of Uncle Jack's chili, man, and I have a feeling, and I hope you'll be back for more sometime one day in the future. This was a fascinating conversation, man. Thank you so much for your time. I'm very grateful for it.
Dr. Jack Kruse
No problem.
Danny Jones
Where can we tell people to visit your patreon, your website, everything like that.
Dr. Jack Kruse
It's doctor Jack Cruz everywhere. Like, every social media place. The patreon is patreon.com. drackcruise.
My website is drjackcruise.com. dot. Go to the forms. The forms are free. It'll take you literally ten years. Hit the form button, Steve.
Yeah. You got to register for the form. Of what? You guys aren't registered, but if you go on there, that is like the walking library of Alexandria for quantum biology. It'll take you ten or 15 years to get through there. If you. I'm not kidding. If you put my name and your disease in a box, dude, welcome to the jungle.
Danny Jones
Wow. That's fascinating.
Dr. Jack Kruse
And believe it or not, that's why, Rick, some of my friends, they want to do a movie about this, because they feel like when someone dies, the library of their knowledge dies with them. And that's where I came up with the idea to put all this on the form so that it's there. You can search it. The problem is, a lot of people ask me, they want me to be the librarian. And I think you probably already figured out how well that goes. I'm not here to be your librarian. Patreon is designed for you to do diY. That's where you start, I think, with Jack Cruise, the more time you want with me, like, say, if you got a disease, then you got to become a member, like gold or platinum.
That's when I give you one on one time. You can hire me as. As someone to rent my brain for an hour. I'll allow people to do that, but I do not allow the general public to do it. You have to be a member, either at the gold or platinum level. Why? Because I need you to know some of the basics, like some of the stuff you and I covered today. You know, about Becker's work, about semiconductor, about stuff like that. Like, if I start talking to you about what I want you to do, you're gonna look at me and not know this. You're like, I just wasted money talking to this guy. And you probably did.
But what I want to do is I want to elevate your game so that you understand where I'm coming from. And then I can easily now tell you, go read this book. Go read that book. Like, in other words, you don't have to believe me anymore. In the beginning, you had to. Now there's books out that tell you I'm right.
Danny Jones
Definitely, man.
Can I get you to, if I needed brain surgery, would you be able to do it, or is that probably in El Salvador? Oh, you'll do it in El Salvador.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Well, Bukele's.
Danny Jones
How often do you do brain surgery, by the way?
Dr. Jack Kruse
Last one I did was the last day that I practiced in the United States, which was August 6, about six weeks ago.
Danny Jones
No way.
Dr. Jack Kruse
That's when I officially decided to become a free agent. Start talking about what we talked about on the first 2 hours of the podcast. And I started doing brain surgery without a scalpel.
And I basically told President Bukele, and just like I told Bobby, Nicole, and Trump, I'm a free agent now. You want me? Come get me.
Danny Jones
That's beautiful, man. I love it. Well, thanks again. This was fascinating. And we'll link all your stuff below for people to check it out. Good night, everybody.
Dr. Jack Kruse
Take care. Sleep Tight
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